Advice on my home video archiving project...

[VSz]

Well the ES10 arrived today and i'm currently running a sample test with a 60 minute vhs using huffyuv first on VirtualDub.

What would be the correct colour format to use? RGB24, UYVY or YUY2?

Also on the ES10 do i need to disable decomb filter (i did), or do the filters not come into effect when running in passthrough?

Is there any way of setting VirtualDub up to stop the recording if it detects loss of signal like in other capture programs, so if i forget to check it, i wont have blank video on the end of a capture wasting hdd space?


EDIT : Well the capture finished and although the 37gb video looked good, the audio came out at the incorrect pitch? it was high pitched and i think it was out of sync too. What could be the cause of this?

[Skiller]

What would be the correct colour format to use? RGB24, UYVY or YUY2?

Certainly not RGB. YUY2 and UYVY are basically the same thing, just the order in which the components are stored internally is different. YUY2 is usually more compatible though so try YUY2 first.

Also on the ES10 do i need to disable decomb filter (i did), or do the filters not come into effect when running in passthrough?

It can affect passthrough. It has an effect only if you are using Composite input (rather than S-Video where no comb filtering is required, hence this setting affects Composite input only).
Basically this setting tells the ES10 whether it should use a "dumb" method to separate luma and chroma in a Composite video signal (=Off) or a more sophisticated method that results in higher luma bandwidth but possibly more pronounced dot crawl (=On). With VHS sources it does not make much of a difference. I always have this on.

Is there any way of setting VirtualDub up to stop the recording if it detects loss of signal like in other capture programs, so if i forget to check it, i wont have blank video on the end of a capture wasting hdd space?

No, not on signal loss because with the ES10 in the chain there is no signal loss after the ES10 anymore (the ES10 would insert a black or grey solid background if there's no signal).

[Brad]

EDIT : Well the capture finished and although the 37gb video looked good, the audio came out at the incorrect pitch? it was high pitched and i think it was out of sync too. What could be the cause of this?

If you had Audio Preview turned on, disable it. The feature has always screwed up captured audio.

[jagabo]

Don't waste your time capturing long segments until you've gotten close to the right settings for your capture device. Capture a minute or two. Check it. If there's something wrong change some settings and try again. Once you can capture a short segment with no obvious issues move on to longer segments.

Wrong pitch on captured audio may be Capture -> Timing... -> Resync Mode -> Sync audio to video by resampling... Turn it off.

[VSz]

Wrong pitch on captured audio may be Capture -> Timing... -> Resync Mode -> Sync audio to video by resampling... Turn it off.

Yeah, i did that and swapped it to the opposite option of sync video to audio, but it still was out of sync, it cured the pitch issue though.
I really want to use VirtualDub but i cant seem to make it stay in sync, it always drifts out over the course of the 60 minute video. The picture is great, just the audio issue.

My settings are 25FPS 720x576 YUY2 huffYUV / PCM 48000 16

[jagabo]

What about "do not resync"?

Also, don't play the audio while capturing (Audio ->Eanble Audio Playback off) and save it uncompressed (many audio compressors are too slow for this).

[VSz]

I never have the audio playing while capturing, so that has always been set to off.

I just did another capture turning resync off and its still out of sync (worse than before i think), ive made screenshots of my settings that i've attached including one of the finished stats.

Could this be an FPS issue?

(Audio Compression is set to "No Compression PCM")

[jagabo]

In what way is the audio sync off? Is it off by constant amount through the entire cap? Or does it further and further off during the cap? The former isn't anything to worry about, it's easily corrected by applying an audio skew later (Audio -> Interleaving -> Delay Audio...).

[VSz]

Well using VLC to change the track delay whilst watching it back i found that i had to hasten the audio track syncronization by the following:

09:51 -0.600 s (that is a minus number, not a dash to seperate the time from the delay, same with the two below)
45:28 -0.900 s
59:53 -1.200 s

So it gets gradually worse but doesn't even start in sync from what i can tell (those times were the clearest you could see lips moving).

This is taken from the latest capture using the settings shown in the pics above.

[Maris 55]

Well I am following the discussions about all types of TBC and all devices with TBC for some time now. Now I have for myself and possibly others a logical question, is there a difference and of what kind if using a Line TBC:
1. by Panasonic NV-FS200 during VHS playback,
2. by Panasonic ES 10/15 ... as passthrough to capture card,
3. by Sony TRV-33E miniDV camcoder in passthrough as a capturing device. I guess this one has a TBC as well.

I have both a Blaupunkt RTV 950 (clone of NV-FS200) with a Line TBC and a Sony TRV-33E. I must still do some tests to see what I gain with these TBCs. Do I still need to give a try to a ES10/15? So please give me some comparison between the TBC capabilities of these devices.

Thanks!

[VSz]

I have yet to fully test the ES10, so cant give any comparison.
Also, please start your own thread and don't hijack mine. Thanks.

[VSz]

I have had success capturing using AmaRecTV 3.10 with huffYUV at 30 fps. Fully in sync all the way through with the same picture quality as VirtualDub.
So i think i will give VirtualDub up as a bad job unless anyone can shed any further light on what is wrong?

Is there any repercussions in having it 30 fps rather than 25?

[jagabo]

Is there any repercussions in having it 30 fps rather than 25?

Of course. If you're capturing PAL video you will have a duplicate frame every sixth frame and playback will be jerky unless you remove that duplicate later. And you're probably missing 20 percent of the frame. It's hard to believe the software doesn't have a PAL setting.

And if you were trying to capture NTSC video with VirtualDub at 25 fps -- no wonder you're having problems.

NTSC video should be captured at 720x480, 29.97 fps.
PAL video should be captured at 720x576, 25.00 fps.

[VSz]

If you're capturing PAL video you will have a duplicate frame every sixth frame and playback will be jerky unless you remove that duplicate later.

On playback in VLC after capturing there were no jerky parts, it ran smooth. Or am i missing something here?

It's hard to believe the software doesn't have a PAL setting.

I know, right! The only option in the whole app was 30 fps, try as i might i could not get it 25.
But at least i have an in-sync video now.

So are there any quick ways i can convert to 25 fps without losing quality or audio sync or am i ok to just keep it 30fps?

[jagabo]

If you're capturing PAL video you will have a duplicate frame every sixth frame and playback will be jerky unless you remove that duplicate later.

On playback in VLC after capturing there were no jerky parts, it ran smooth. Or am i missing something here?

Find a smooth, medium speed panning shot. You will see six little jerks every second.

So are there any quick ways i can convert to 25 fps without losing quality or audio sync or am i ok to just keep it 30fps?

With AviSynth, If it's literally 30 fps:

TDecimate(Cycle=6, CycleR=1)

If it's 29.97 fps that will leave you with 24.975 fps. It might be better to use:

TDecimate(mode=2, rate=29.97)

That will get you 29.97 fps.

[jagabo]

Try VirtualVCR?

[VSz]

As far as i can tell (using mediainfo and vlc codec info) its literal 30 fps.

Yes, i tried virtualVCR which captured good video in 25fps but audio wasnt in-sync either.
amarec seems to be the only thing that will capture in-sync, but 30fps.

Ive tried:

VirtualDub (audio sync issues)
VirtualVCR (audio sync issues)
AmaRecTV (good capture, but 30 fps)
Stoik (just doesnt work, video comes out scrambled)

I might give VHCapture a go tomorrow, have you ever tried it?

[VSz]

Success!
I managed to capture at 25 fps using AmaRecTV 3.10.

For anyone who is following this thread, what i did was manually type 25.00 into the "Format" field in "Graph 1(Device)"




It worked great, audio totally in-sync and running smoothly at 25 fps.

Thanks to everyone who has helped me achieve this, especially jagabo.

[jagabo]

Glad you got it worked out.

[SameSelf]

Success!
I managed to capture at 25 fps using AmaRecTV 3.10.

For anyone who is following this thread, what i did was manually type 25.00 into the "Format" field in "Graph 1(Device)"


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It worked great, audio totally in-sync and running smoothly at 25 fps.

Thanks to everyone who has helped me achieve this, especially jagabo.

I tried to tell you post #20 to avoid vdub.

[manono]

I managed to capture at 25 fps using AmaRecTV 3.10.

Can you point out where ver. 3.10 is? The AmarecTV page here and their own website only have ver. 2.31.

Also, the version I have either requires paying for their own codec or leaves a logo on the captured video if I use something else. Did you run into that problem?

[SameSelf]

Can you point out where ver. 3.10 is? The AmarecTV page here and their own website only have ver. 2.31.

Also, the version I have either requires paying for their own codec or leaves a logo on the captured video if I use something else. Did you run into that problem?

Follow this guide. The link in there has the instructions on how to download v3.10.

https://forum.videohelp.com/threads/379847-I-O-Data-GV-USB2-NTSC-Capture-Test?p=2460027...=1#post2460027

I have used AmarecTV 3.10 without any problems.

[manono]

Thank you very much.

[VSz]

Can you point out where ver. 3.10 is? The AmarecTV page here and their own website only have ver. 2.31.

I just googled AmaRec 3.10 and it came up as result 1 on the amaerc website, i think its in the japanese section, but the download itself is the english version.
http://www.amarectv.com/download_amarectv.htm

I tried to tell you post #20 to avoid vdub.

I know, but i wanted to see if i could get it working as it seems a better overall choice if i could.