Strange VIDEO_TS formatting

[odavy]

I just bought a commercial DVD - A 20th Century Video Archive title.
All of the files that should be inside the VIDEO_TS folder are outside the folder and are only 2kb - so when you open the DVD you see the AUDIO and VIDEO_TS folders and all of the video related files.
There are no files inside the VIDEO_TS folder.
My DVD ripper (Macthe Ripper) crashes soon after loading the disc.
My Mac DVD player app will play the video in new Samsung USB BluRay burner, and the DVD plays in a two year old LG BluRay player, an older LG DVD/VHS dubber and a also in the slot of a 2007 MacBook Pro.

VLC will open the menu page and the 20th Century Logo disc intro 10 second video, but crashes trying to play the movie.
If I could get it to play in VLC I could get a screen capture.
Mac won't allow screen capture with it's DVD player app. All you get it a grayed out screen. I've used several different screen cap apps with the same result.

FileBuddy app for Mac shows no invisible files on the DVD. I ran ISOBuster for Windows in emulation, on the Mac and it detected no hidden files.
http://files.videohelp.com/u/170862/ISOBuster%20screenshot.png

Handbrake finished the transcode in a couple of seconds and the file is just the new 20th Century Logo disc intro.
Can anyone tell me how to rip this disc? Any Mac folk know of a screen capture app that will cap Mac DVD app.
I can't get another video player to work with it.

[Cornucopia]

It's a bootleg and you should send it back! Or it's a new STUPID attempt at copy protection and you should send a message to H'wood and SEND IT BACK!

Your Mac app is likely (luckily) playing the raw *.VOB files. A standard hardware DVD player would/should NOT be able to play this.

Scott

[odavy]

Thanks for your quick reply. It's not a bootleg. Obviously, you don't know what it is.

[DB83]

Well you obviously know what a dvd-video disk is.

Try to play it, as Scott mentions, in a stand-alone player or a software player (does a Mac have a version of vlc or something equivalent ?)

If it plays in a player then the files are there even if, for whatever reason, you can not see them. If it does not then then it is NOT a dvd-video disk.

[hech54]

....and why are you cross-posting?
https://forum.videohelp.com/threads/368421-Strange-VIDEO_TS-formatting?p=2356890#post2356890

[odavy]

....and why are you cross-posting?
https://forum.videohelp.com/threads/368421-Strange-VIDEO_TS-formatting?p=2356890#post2356890

and why are you so cross about it?

[manono]

Those burn-on-demand DVDs from the studios have a novel kind of copy protection. I can't help, having never worked with one, other than to suggest trying something like DVDFab HD Decrypter.

[odavy]

Those burn-on-demand DVDs from the studios have a novel kind of copy protection. I can't help, having never worked with one, other than to suggest trying something like DVDFab HD Decrypter.

Thanks very much for that info

[DB83]

....and why are you cross-posting?
https://forum.videohelp.com/threads/368421-Strange-VIDEO_TS-formatting?p=2356890#post2356890

and why are you so cross about it?

For no other reason that it is against the forum's rules. And you have been on here long enough to know about them

What is more, by cross-posting, it is difficult to follow a thread since you are even putting replies from this topic in to the other one.

No doubt a mod will soon close one or the other.

[odavy]

....and why are you cross-posting?
https://forum.videohelp.com/threads/368421-Strange-VIDEO_TS-formatting?p=2356890#post2356890

and why are you so cross about it?

For no other reason that it is against the forum's rules. And you have been on here long enough to know about them

What is more, by cross-posting, it is difficult to follow a thread since you are even putting replies from this topic in to the other one.

No doubt a mod will soon close one or the other.

The wording is not the same - but is almost the same. Doesn't it get seen by more eyes for more feedback when it's posted in different forums?
I realize now I shouldn't have posted it in the Newbie forum.

[DB83]

And you made it even worse - different wording or not - to start that second (now closed) topic after replies to the original.

Now back to 'topic'

Interesting if a way has been found to protect 'burned' disks if indeed this disk is burnt rather than pressed. But as I said above, the files are there else you could never play this conventionally.

[netmask56]

So what is the name of the disc? Maybe there are comments about this release on another forum?

[Cornucopia]

Yes, I understand the files show up in the root, but do they show up in the VIDEO_TS folder also (even as links)? If not, those are not DVD-Video compliant, and you would be within your rights as a consumer to complain about this (though you might need to be creative in your choice of reasoning).

Wait a minute:..

Your ISOBuster screencap only shows the ROOT of an R: drive. In fact, it looks like an R: drive folder extraction from a disc, NOT the actual disc itself.

You need to show us the ROOT and the VIDEO_TS folders, WITH THEIR SECTOR DESIGNATIONS, of the original disc.

Here's how DVD works (ref - what is DVD):
For "smart" players (those which understand the UDF 1.02 and/or ISO9660 filesystem), it looks to the VIDEO_TS.VOB and VIDEO_TS.IFO files as starters, and then goes from there to the VTS_01_XX.IFO, .VOB files, etc. Those files have pointers to all the other IFOs (and BUPs) and VOBs and their clips & playlists, etc. But the start needs to occur with those first files in the playlist, which need to be in a particular spot.

For "dumb" players (those hardware which don't even understand filesystems, but look for absolute sector positions), it may not be necessary for the files to be WITHIN the VIDEO_TS folder, but the VIDEO_TS folder is SUPPOSED to be listed at a certain sector address, and the absence of it at that address would put all things out of whack. Also, the player still needs to find those files' contents (first VIDEO_TS.VOB and VIDEO_TS.IFO, etc, then VTS_01_01.VOB and VTS_01_01.IFO, etc) in their correct spots, even if they're in the wrong folder structure. Without those correct pointers, you would have an unplayable disc.

So which is it?

Scott

[DB83]

Perhaps the OP could also repost that screencap from isobuster in this active topic else anyone stumbling across this topic in times to come will wonder WTF is being talked about (yet another reason for not cross-posting)

And, yes, it really does appear that the OP has not looked at the original disk but an attempt at ripping it.

[Mr.Delusional]

Doesn't it get seen by more eyes for more feedback when it's posted in different forums?

And speaking of different forums, you should have posted in the Mac section. As for ripping the disc you might give MakeMKV a try.

[Skiller]

It's probably some new weird file system hack – I mean copy protection.

I've had a recent DVD where there where several "bogus VTS" files displayed in windows explorer (albeit in VIDEO_TS, not root), making the DVD9 supposedly larger than 60 GiB.

[odavy]

Mr. Delusional - A Big Thank You - MakeMKV ripped the disc.

[DB83]

You do yourself no favours whatsoever by ignoring all the other comments and request for information.

Of course you are 'happy' now that you can rip this disk. But it generally leaves the topic in limbo.

[odavy]

You do yourself no favours whatsoever by ignoring all the other comments and request for information.

Of course you are 'happy' now that you can rip this disk. But it generally leaves the topic in limbo.

DB83 - You were no help at all. To be more precise - you were absolutely no help at all. You were a bit of a jerk, though.

[Cornucopia]

And you're not being much help to any similarly-confused internet denizens following - not providing all the info when asked, not following through with all suggestions, or even fully commenting on them except some cryptic "makemkv worked". How?

Pot -> Kettle.

Scott