Format Factory Audio WAY to fast issue

[begna112]

having an issue with conversion with format factory from MKV to MP4 using AviSynth.

example file:

http://www.mediafire.com/?b0hlwktdbhskgiw

MKV media info:

General
Unique ID : 229925870086791984448997061266920894193 (0xACFA1CA02A9474C598FBFE1F171EEEF1)
Complete name : D:\new\[Mazui]_Hyouka_-_13v2_[BE011245].mkv
Format : Matroska
Format version : Version 2
File size : 283 MiB
Duration : 25mn 50s
Overall bit rate : 1 530 Kbps
Encoded date : UTC 2012-10-19 03:05:44
Writing application : mkvmerge v5.8.0 ('No Sleep / Pillow') built on Sep 2 2012 15:37:04
Writing library : libebml v1.2.3 + libmatroska v1.3.0

Video
ID : 1
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : High 10@L5.0
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames : 16 frames
Muxing mode : Header stripping
Codec ID : V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC
Width : 1 280 pixels
Height : 720 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate mode : Variable
Original frame rate : 23.976 fps
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 10 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Writing library : x264 core 125 r2200 999b753
Encoding settings : cabac=1 / ref=16 / deblock=1:1:1 / analyse=0x3:0x133 / me=umh / subme=10 / psy=1 / psy_rd=0.60:0.06 / mixed_ref=1 / me_range=24 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=2 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / fast_pskip=1 / chroma_qp_offset=-3 / threads=12 / lookahead_threads=2 / sliced_threads=0 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / interlaced=0 / bluray_compat=0 / constrained_intra=0 / bframes=10 / b_pyramid=2 / b_adapt=2 / b_bias=0 / direct=3 / weightb=1 / open_gop=0 / weightp=2 / keyint=250 / keyint_min=23 / scenecut=40 / intra_refresh=0 / rc_lookahead=60 / rc=crf / mbtree=1 / crf=18.0 / qcomp=0.70 / qpmin=0 / qpmax=81 / qpstep=4 / ip_ratio=1.40 / aq=2:0.80
Language : Japanese
Default : Yes
Forced : No

Audio
ID : 2
Format : AAC
Format/Info : Advanced Audio Codec
Format profile : LC
Codec ID : A_AAC
Duration : 25mn 50s
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Channel positions : Front: L R
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Compression mode : Lossy
Language : Japanese
Default : Yes
Forced : No

MP4 Media Info:

General
Complete name : D:\[Mazui]_Hyouka_-_13v2_[BE011245] [begna112].mp4
Format : MPEG-4
Format profile : Base Media / Version 2
Codec ID : mp42
File size : 469 MiB
Duration : 25mn 50s
Overall bit rate mode : Variable
Overall bit rate : 2 538 Kbps
Encoded date : UTC 2012-10-19 06:33:25
Tagged date : UTC 2012-10-19 06:33:31
Writing application : mp4creator 1.6.1d

Video
ID : 1
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : High@L3.0
Format settings, CABAC : No
Format settings, ReFrames : 1 frame
Codec ID : avc1
Codec ID/Info : Advanced Video Coding
Duration : 25mn 50s
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 2 400 Kbps
Width : 1 280 pixels
Height : 720 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate mode : Variable
Frame rate : 23.976 fps
Minimum frame rate : 23.974 fps
Maximum frame rate : 23.981 fps
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.109
Stream size : 444 MiB (95%)
Language : English
Encoded date : UTC 2012-10-19 06:33:25
Tagged date : UTC 2012-10-19 06:33:31

Audio
ID : 2
Format : AAC
Format/Info : Advanced Audio Codec
Format profile : LC
Codec ID : 40
Duration : 23mn 15s
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 150 Kbps
Maximum bit rate : 502 Kbps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 24.9 MiB (5%)
Language : English
Encoded date : UTC 2012-10-19 06:33:31
Tagged date : UTC 2012-10-19 06:33:31

.AVS file used for hardcoding subtitles:

Directshowsource("D:\new\[Mazui]_Hyouka_-_13v2_[BE011245].mkv")
textsub("D:\new\[Mazui]_Hyouka_-_13v2_[BE011245]_track3_eng.ass")

settings in Format Factory:

[Budman1]

Not sure what when wrong, format factory, codec, bit rate of 48kbps or channels set to 6 in your attachment but I washed it thru Virtualdub and what you actually have is around 16000. If I set the Virtualdub audio filter to 16kbps it seems to play fine and audio is in sync. You might try other settings on the number of channels or bit rate to see if its a bug at those settings.

[begna112]

Haha thanks bud.

But you know I really don't have that much of a clue as to what I'm doing. How do I do that?

[Budman1]

The bad news is you probably can't clean the copy with virtualdub. I just used to see what the bit rate would play at and sound normal. Since you encoded as 6 channel, the only codecs I have are stereo on Virtualdub but when the film starts, it evidently is using only a couple channels and sounds good at 16kbps but later Virtualdub squeezes it together and... not as good even though in sync.

It's not a good idea to go from MKV to AVC with FF and then to Virtualdub AVI anyway. You original probably isn't a true original so you'd be making a copy of a copy of a copy. Be better to find out if Format Factory has a problem with 6 channel. Try it in stereo and some other bitrate for audio as a test.

If you just want to see what I did, load video into Virtualdub (if you have it and it will load okay for you) and select audio --> fullprocessing. Then select Audio --> advanced filtering. Then audio --> filters --> add and add filters input, new rate, and output. Hook the inputs and outputs together if they aren't and double click the new rate to change it. Click test and it will play the filter but it's not quite funtional going from multi-channel to stereo in Virtualdub.

[begna112]

Do you think it might just be easier to rip the audio track as well and then include that in my AVS file?

[hello_hello]

Do you think it might just be easier to rip the audio track as well and then include that in my AVS file?

Yes. Well easier just to extract and copy it.

Maybe for some reason FormatFactory isn't getting the sample rate of the source correct, which is causing the problem when it re-encodes the audio.

Does FormatFactory have an option to simply copy the audio? If not, maybe try another program which does. I'd recommenced one but I don't work with subtitles much myself so I'm not sure how easy it is to hardcode subtitles using other programs similar to FormatFactory (fairly easy to use). Well AnyVideoConverter is very similar, it will let you copy the audio and it does hardcode subtitles, I've just never used it for that.
Does the output need to be MP4 or is MKV okay? If it is, you could try opening the original file using MKVMergeGUI, add the FormatFactory encoded version, select the audio from the first, the video from the second, and resave it as a new MKV. If the output needs to be MP4, try doing the same with YAMB. If YAMB has issues opening the original MKV, try extracting the original audio using MKVCleaver and then opening the encoded MP4 with YAMB, add the extracted audio, deselect the encoded audio and save it as a new MP4.

PS If the audio is a little out of sync after swapping audio streams, use MediaInfo to check the original MKV for an audio delay and apply the same delay if need be.

PPS. The version of MKVCleaver I linked to isn't the full program, it's a "patch" to fix issues caused by recent changes to MKVToolNix (MKVCleaver requires MKVToolNix to work). Download the full 0.5.0.3 version as well as the 0.5.0.4 patch. Install version 0.5.3, then apply the patch.

[Budman1]

There are a lot of programs, shareware and freeware, that do conversion on a lot of different formats. The problem is when you try to include subtitles, mainly SSA and ASS, and try to keep the individual styles, color, fonts, etc. that can change and animate, even in a single line, they can not handle this. Most just allow settings to change ALL of the subtitles to the same format and even that doesn't work in some of the software. I am working with a company whose software I purchased to create videos with menus that doesn't even work to do subtitles as it was advertised, so it happens.

The work around is to use the textsub method that is used in Virtualdub, AviSynth, and many others. If the conversion program allows AVISynth functionality, then you can include SSA/ASS subtitles in the conversion and maintain their look.

Thats the subtitle issue. The sound issue, I believe, is from converting to multi-channel. I personally have had quite a few failure with several types of software when trying to convert TO or FROM 5.1 and 6 channel audio. I stick to stereo unless there is a real need for some other format, in which case you will need a tried and true group of video programs. I'm still looking for those programs but I know there are many experts here at Videohelp that do this type of thing for a living that will help us in that area.

BTW... good tip on checking and applying the audio delay with MediaInfo. Tried a couple and it worked great.

[hello_hello]

I've experienced the odd audio conversion issue I couldn't quite explain, but on the very odd occasion it does happen using a different decoder/program solves the problem. MeGUI for example, lets you choose between using NicAudio, FFAudioSource and DirectShowSource for decoding. If all else fails, Directshow (using ffdshow to decode in my case) invariably works. These days I tend to just copy the original audio stream rather than convert it, so I don't convert audio as much as I used to.

I use MeGUI for most of my video encoding and I've used it to encode audio a fair bit without issue. If you're not familiar with it, MeGUI probably has more of a learning curve than other GUIs, but it has the advantage of not really hiding anything from you and it's pretty versatile. You can always work out what it's doing and generally it's fairly easy to manually change things (often just by modifying the AVS script it creates).

I mostly convert audio using foobar2000. It's prime purpose is as an audio player but it's a good converter. You've just got to download the appropriate encoder and tell foobar2000 where it is the first time you use it. You can also set up conversion presets and it'll play and convert the first audio stream in AVI, MP4 and MKV files without the need to extract it first (as will MeGUI). The thing I find most handy is if you happen to do lots of audio converting, foobar2000 will convert multiple files at the same time (well MeGUI will too but foobar2000 makes it easier). As many as you have CPU cores (or maybe threads if it's a hyperthreading CPU). You can load a bunch of files into it's playlist, highlight them all, right click to convert, and if you have a four core CPU it'll convert them four at a time until they're done. It also has a plugin for downmixing 5.1ch to stereo as it converts, although it doesn't normalise, which can result in peaks above 0db. It's not really an issue as it's not clipping as such (least not when converting to a lossy format), but it's something to be aware of. I mostly convert to MP3 if I'm downmixing to stereo so I load the encoded MP3's into MP3Gain to normalise them or adjust their volume using ReplayGain losslessly.

eac3to, is I guess "the" tool for a lot of audio conversion. MeGUI uses eac3to for much of it's converting. It does the more clever stuff like fixing audio gaps, downmixing, and normalizing etc. It's command line but there's a few GUIs for it, (aside from MeGUI). eac3to is great but as 99% of audio converting is fairly straightforward I use foobar2000 mostly, simply because it's easy just to load a bunch of files and convert.

Obviously you know more about subtitles than I do, but I do know MeGUI uses textsub to hardcode subtitles. If for some reason I couldn't use MeGUI any more, my next choices would probably be ffcoder or ripbot264. They're all free.

I'm glad the MediaInfo tip regarding audio delay helped you. Actually I could write an essay on that subject.... having to apply delays when there's no logical reason for having to do so etc, but this post is already long enough.

[begna112]

Thats the subtitle issue. The sound issue, I believe, is from converting to multi-channel. I personally have had quite a few failure with several types of software when trying to convert TO or FROM 5.1 and 6 channel audio. I stick to stereo unless there is a real need for some other format, in which case you will need a tried and true group of video programs. I'm still looking for those programs but I know there are many experts here at Videohelp that do this type of thing for a living that will help us in that area.

even when leaving the conversion at stereo i get this issue.

i've tried remuxing the audio and video streams into an MP4 container using format factory as i want h264 and aac audio anyway but for some reason then I get no audio instead of fast audio.

and when i remux i cant exactly use avisynth to get the subtitles in.

[begna112]

i want to try MEGui unfortunately it does not work with windows 8

[begna112]

Another interesting thing is that the ones im having this issue with are all recorded from TV. they are 720p 10-bit .h264 and aac in an mkv container. could this have something to do with it?

regardless i should be able to remux these into mp4 or convert with passthru and it work but then i lose audio which makes no sense

[begna112]

im going to try converting to an AVI file first with h264 and ac3 see what kind of results i get.

[begna112]

yeah that didnt work either. im just moving on to the next show and seeing if i get similar errors. i dont seem to have issues with non-tvrips

[Budman1]

Do you happen to have a small sample of one that doesn't work to upload? I know tvrips are usually large but if you try a small sample and get same results, it would be interesting to examine and try to convert. Just a thought.

[begna112]

im not even sure how i would crop it without first converting to another format. most every crop tool ive tried fails on mkvs.

[begna112]

and actually im trying something right now from here: https://forum.videohelp.com/threads/350209-does-mp4-support-10-bit

i got winff to passthrough the video and audio into mp4 and it plays correctly on a comptuer but as they thought i cant get it into itunes. im trying the avisynth approach using the new mp4s and ill let you know my results.

[begna112]

and it worked brilliantly for one of my problem cases! ill get back to you on the second one after this season finishes encoding!

[Budman1]

I downloaded the original [Mazui]_Hyouka_-_13v2_[BE011245].MKV and there is definitely something weird there. The Version 2 MKV fails in a lot of my converters yet plays in most players including Virtualdub. I was also able to get it converted to MP4 using avidemux in AVC and AAC formats. Still had to extract the ASS file and merge it together as before. Just another option.

[begna112]

yeah idk wtf is up with it but i had an identical problem from another encode/sub group when encoding Koi to Senkyo to Chocolate which is another TVRip

anyway, the winff to mp4 appears to work in these cases. running my first batch of Hyouka just to confirm that it does in fact work for all cases like these.

question: is there a way to rip the chapters out of the mkv using mkvmerge and then mux them into the mp4 without really affecting what ive already got there? (like updating a preexisting mp4 or even in the process of creating the mp4)

[Budman1]

I experimented and added a chapters to an existing mp4 with mp4muxer. Just be sure to extract with the -s option:
mkvextract -s "C:\Users\Bud\Desktop\test\[Mazui]_Hyouka_-_13v2_[BE011245].mkv" > movie_chapters.chap

or create with simple format:
CHAPTER01=00:00:00.000
CHAPTER01NAME=Prologue
CHAPTER02=00:00:27.110
CHAPTER02NAME=OP
CHAPTER03=00:02:07.002
CHAPTER03NAME=Part 1
CHAPTER04=00:15:27.969
CHAPTER04NAME=Part 2
CHAPTER05=00:24:10.366
CHAPTER05NAME=ED
CHAPTER06=00:25:39.997
CHAPTER06NAME=Preview

Then use mp4muxer to add the chapters. I do not have an apple player to test but vlc shows chapters and I can select them using this method. The complete write-up is at http://uzzikie.livejournal.com/17048.html

[KRAB77]

Hi there
I am using format factory to embed English Subs to my MKV files,
it is a success, but the audio output is changed to 2 channel from the original 6 channel,
I have tried to change the settings before trying for the 2nd time, where i had set the audio to 6 Channels. After completion, I played he file, and there was no Audio
Kindly advise and tell me what is it that i am doing wrong

[Budman1]

Unfortunately this seems to be a problem with Format Factory. Last time I tried to use it specifically to create a 6 channel audio, it also created a video with no audio. Apparently it was possible to select 6 channel settings but the codec it uses will not create it. There are also many other converters that don't play well with 6 channel audio so you may want to look at another that does.

Perhaps others here can suggest an alternative but since I use VirtualDub/subtitler combination or FFMpeg for most of my subtitles, I am not familiar with what else will work. Sorry.

[KRAB77]

Thank You Bud

i am trying something out right now,
it is being processed, once done and i try the output i shall post the workaround

[hello_hello]

Do you actually need to re-encode the audio. If not and you're re-encoding the video to hardcode the subtitles, once the video encoding is done (don't include the audio in the encoding job) open the MKV containing the newly encoded video with MKVMergeGUI, add the original MKV, de-select the original video in the list and save the output as a new MKV, effectively giving you a newly muxed MKV containing the new video and the original audio.

Or use a program which has an option to simply copy the original audio (FormatFactory doesn't?).

[KRAB77]

There is a copy option
shall i do that for both Audio and Video, for I do not want to re-encode Video nor Audio, i just want to as you said, hard code the subtitles
I will try that now
What is happening is that, after i get the process done, i play the movie on the PC and i can hear Audio, and I can see the Audio track 5.1 in VLC, and i can switch to that where i can still hear audio, but once i plug the USB with the movie to play on my Smart LG TV, there is Video, but i can hear not Audio
Although the original file of 4.3 GB runs perfectly on the TV, but i just want to add Subs to it

I tried another option to encode the audio as AC3, where i have noticed that when i select media info on TV it is AC3 on the original, i did switch to that, but still no Audio
I will try now the option to Copy Audio and video and see how it works
Thank you all

[KRAB77]

I have initiated a Copy job on audio and video, it was all running well (completion percentage) but now it is stuck at 89%, time elapsed 1 Hour and 15 minutes. I hope it won't fail!!!

[hello_hello]

Sorry if some of the following is stating the obvious.

You can't copy the video and hardcode the subtitles. The only way to hardcode the subtitles as part of the video is to re-encode it. Your TV "may" support loading separate subtitle files (whether they're included as a separate file or muxed into the MKV itself) although I rarely use the media player in my TV (I use my PC for playback) so I've not investigated how likely they are to support non-hardcoded subtitles. Personally if I know I'm always going to want to see the subtitles I hardcode them. That way you don't need to rely on the player supporting separate subtitle files as they'll always display once they're encoded into the video.

The audio issue is no doubt unrelated to the subtitles themselves. Audio and video can come in a variety of flavours, all of which can be stored in an MKV file, but media players don't necessarily support every flavour of audio and video even if they support MKV. Your TV's manual may give you specific information regarding the types of audio it supports. Support for dts audio isn't universal, but it'd be unusual if the TV doesn't support AC3, AAC and MP3. If you're converting to AC3 and still have no audio, I'm not sure why.

I don't use FormatFactory so I don't know much about it, but it may convert the audio to stereo even if you tell it not to, depending on the audio format you choose. AC3 and AAC support multichannel audio, whereas MP3 doesn't (well not for the purpose of this discussion) so for example if you choose MP3 as the audio format you'd only get a stereo output.

Anyway..... to help you work out what's going on and what your TV supports etc......
Use MediaInfo to open the original MKV file. It'll tell you exactly what's inside. If the TV plays the audio in the original MKV then you know it supports it. If after converting the audio to the same format with FormatFactory the TV won't play it..... well maybe it's a Format Factory issue.
MKVCleaver can be used to extract the existing video, audio and subtitle streams etc from MKV files (it requires MKVToolNix to be installed).
MKVToolNix (or MKVMergeGUI) can be used to remux MKVs. I often re-encode the video in an MKV using program "A", extract the audio from it with MKVCleaver, re-encode the audio if necessary using program "B", then I use MKVMergeGUI to add the audio to the encoded MKV and save it as a final MKV file. If you work with MKV files a lot it's a very good idea to install MKVMergeGUI and MKVcleaver and get to know them.

Another issue can be caused by the way the MKV file itself is created (even if the TV itself supports the audio and video contained within). Something else you can try is opening the MKV which Format Factory creates with MKVMergeGUI and simply resave it as a new MKV (it won't take long as nothing's being re-encoded). You may find the TV will play the newly saved MKV even if it won't play the MKV FormatFactory creates.

If you do a lot of encoding it might pay to run some short test encodes (even using programs other than Format Factory) to work out what keeps your TV's media player happy and which formats it supports etc. Once you know and have a system which works then it's easy enough to stick to it, but sometimes it can take a little trial and error to get there. Some other suggestions:

For a couple of programs which are similar to FormatFactory you could to try Video To Video Converter or AnyVideoConverter. I'm pretty sure both will let you simply copy the audio while re-encoding the video, although I'm pretty sure the free version of AnyVideoConverter will only output stereo audio if you choose to convert it. I've not used either program for hard-encoding subtitles.
VidCoder and HandBrake are both fairly popular encoders. They're not so much "convert anything to anything" programs but they'll open lots of different file types and convert them using the x264 video encoder etc. Personally I use MeGUI (although it's got more of a learning curve).

Anyway, hopefully some of the above info will help you sort out your problems.

[KRAB77]

Hey H H

Thanks a lot for the insight,
First here is the original MKV Audio media info
Audio
ID : 2
Format : DTS
Format/Info : Digital Theater Systems
Codec ID : A_DTS
Duration : 2h 37mn
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 1 510 Kbps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 24 bits
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 1.66 GiB (18%)
Title : FraMeSToR's DTS 1510 Kbps
Language : English

And i used the Copy option for video and audio so that FF won't change anything, and only hard code the Subs,
So to keep it simple:
What I understood is that you suggest i take the Audio and Video apart and then use another program to mux them together!
So i will use FF to hard code the SUBs, and use another to extract the Audio, or maybe FF does that

but once i go home i will re-read your reply, and perform a workshop to get MY results!!
Just a quick Question, what software can i use for trimming?
Appreciate your efforts
Regards

[hello_hello]

Hey H H

Thanks a lot for the insight,
First here is the original MKV Audio media info
Audio
ID : 2
Format : DTS
Format/Info : Digital Theater Systems
Codec ID : A_DTS
Duration : 2h 37mn
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 1 510 Kbps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 24 bits
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 1.66 GiB (18%)
Title : FraMeSToR's DTS 1510 Kbps
Language : English

And that one plays okay? If so, then at least you know the TV supports DTS. I generally re-encode DTS as AAC to save a bit of space, but there's no reason why you can't keep the original DTS if space isn't an issue.

And i used the Copy option for video and audio so that FF won't change anything, and only hard code the Subs

That's a contradiction of settings as you can't both copy the video and hardcode the subs. I don't use Format Factory but maybe if you tell it to encode subs and copy the video, it'll re-encode the video anyway. Well..... given you said your last job had taken close to two hours (which is fairly normal) it must be re-encoding. If it was simply copying everything, the job would only take a few minutes (depending on how large the file is and how fast your hard drive can read and write).

So to keep it simple:
What I understood is that you suggest i take the Audio and Video apart and then use another program to mux them together!
So i will use FF to hard code the SUBs, and use another to extract the Audio, or maybe FF does that

In theory that's all any program would be doing if you tell it to copy the audio and re-encode the video. It'll extract the original audio and add it to the output file. Not all programs have an option to simply copy the audio and/or video although most should let you select "copy" for at least the audio. But yeah..... there's no reason why you can't use one program for converting the video and another for the audio. Or manually add the original audio to the encoded video yourself......
MKVs are very easy to work with thanks to MKVToolNix (MKVMergeGUI). Once you've opened a few files with it (it'll open lots of file types and resave them as MKV) and gotten the hang of remuxing with it, it'll probably take a lot of the mystery out of the process. As per my first post you can open an MKV with it, then add a second one, select the video from the first, the audio and subtitles from the second etc, and save them as a new MKV. That sort of thing....

but once i go home i will re-read your reply, and perform a workshop to get MY results!!
Just a quick Question, what software can i use for trimming?
Appreciate your efforts
Regards

If you want to trim the original file without re-encoding anything, it can be done but there are limitations. The video needs to be cut on keyframes which means you often can't cut exactly where you want to. It's pot luck, but usually the cut will be "roughly" where you want it. MKVMergeGUI lets you split and join MKVs so it'll trim them if you know where you want the cuts to be, but it has no preview. Video To Video Converter might be worth a try. I'm pretty sure there's a video splitter and/or a commercial remover (or editor) under it's Tools menu. They both have a preview and will cut and rejoin video etc without any re-encoding.

If you are re-encoding then the easiest way to do it is to specify the start and end frames. Most programs such as FormatFactory should let you do that. Some programs allow you to select multiple start and end frames so you can effectively edit and re-encode at the same time. I have a feeling Video To Video Converter does.

If re-encoding video is something you do regularly I'd recommend getting to know some of the MKV tools such as MKVCleaver and MKVMergeGUI. If you're really keen you might want to put a day aside and try a few different programs. Most people around here would use a program capable of quality based x264 encoding (rather than just selecting a bitrate or file size). Encoding that way lets you keep the quality relative to the original the same each time while the file sizes vary as need be (instead of of the file size staying the same while the quality varies). Programs such as Vidcoder or Handbrake or MeGUI can do quality based x264 encoding. I don't know if FormatFactory does. Me, I use MeGUI, but it probably has the greatest learning curve, however as a result it's pretty versatile.

[KRAB77]

Looolllll
Some times the hardest of things are solved in the most easy ways

HH, thank you for your advice, and I thank everybody who has been reading, and trying to solve this!
I turned out that i do not need to use any program what so ever,
as H H said, just copy the original file with the subs to the same folder, connect the drive to the TV, and run the movie, eh Voila!! it was works with no effort what so ever,
I have been suffering for the last 72 hours
Now I have 720p with DTS movies to watch and enjoy
regards