Question about File copyright protection measures

[khaymen]

I'm looking for links and/or ideas to keep a file I have created from being copied and kept on a HD for longer than a specified amount of time.

I have heard that quicktime MOV files have some sort of security like this but haven't checked it out yet. (Father in law just mentioned that to me)

I would like to do something that would work with Xvid AVI's preferably but am open to any suggestions.

I know that nothing is foolproof but basically keeping the honest people honset is what I am looking for.

Thanks.

[bazooka]

If it can be played, it can be copied.

If the motion picture industry cannot do it with millions of dollars, what makes you think you can?

[khaymen]

Well since we now have the official idiotic post out of the way, maybe we can get some posts from people who actually know what they are talking about. Or are willing to share.

As I said, I know nothing is foolproof. Doesn't mean I can't see whats out there.

Please keep the non constructive posts to a minimum

EDIT: Changed the word idiot to idiotic so as to not imply that someone is an idiot, just the anser they gave which was what I meant to imply in the first place.

[thecoalman]

Well since we now have the official idiot post out of the way,

Here comes the second idiot post!

Think about it for a second if the movie industry which is losing billons a year (thats billions with a B) in sales can't prevent there losses......

[khaymen]

As I said, I'm not looking for something foolproof. I especially know and believe that anything out there will be and can be cracked,hacked and gotten around.

What i asked for is the different ways to keep the honest people honest. I don't know any other way to convey what I am looking for.

Does anyone have the information on the different ways to protect files. Please no more posts about how it's useless to try.

And yes that was a 2nd idiotic post because you failed to understand my question as well.

[bazooka]

You are wasting your time.

There is no way to copy protect things.

Just insert a please do not copy message at the beginning.

The only way to copy protect is to either scratch the hell out of the discs or break it.

You are the idiot.

There have been many threads on this subject stating that it cannot be done and you did not even take the time to do a search.

I understood your question and it cannot be done.

[Capmaster]

I'm looking for links and/or ideas to keep a file I have created from being copied and kept on a HD for longer than a specified amount of time.

I have heard that quicktime MOV files have some sort of security like this but haven't checked it out yet. (Father in law just mentioned that to me)

I would like to do something that would work with Xvid AVI's preferably but am open to any suggestions.

I know that nothing is foolproof but basically keeping the honest people honset is what I am looking for.

Thanks.

Maybe something like this if your distribution is limited:

http://www.zappersoftware.com/movieguard.html

[BJ_M]

some of the only ways currently is to use DRM from MS or HDCP hardware/software protection ...

the second method is going to be difficult for you do do , and the first one will cost you a lot of money (so will the second method) ..


or you can use protected codecs which require specialized hardware playback and a lic .. cheapest i know of is quvis (20-40 grand) .


you could also just encrypt everything and only give a key to those you want to play -- problem with that is , is that it is only as good as your least trustworthy friend..

Yes - QT also has DRM in a way , but it is so easly broken as to be useless ..

MS DRM may be the easest solution -- i think a basic lic for that is 50 grand .. it is on the ms website the terms ..

[thecoalman]

If it can be played, it can be copied.

It was answered, BTW Bazooka isn't an idiot.

To furhter elaborate on his answer besides encrypting the data which would make it useless to the ned user without a key anyway you can't protect it.

"Put it on a disc then microwave it." --- Answer to the same question in a differnt thread----

[BJ_M]

that MovieGuard sounds like a great plan -- i didnt know about that one ..

[BJ_M]

You are wasting your time.

There is no way to copy protect things.....................

J.

it CAN be done - we do it for digital cinema , you can not make a digital transfer ... there are other methods also .. but these methods are not for the avg. home joe user ..

[Capmaster]

If it can be played, it can be copied.

It was answered, BTW Bazooka isn't an idiot.

To furhter elaborate on his answer besides encrypting the data which would make it useless to the ned user without a key anyway you can't protect it.

"Put it on a disc then microwave it." --- Answer to the same question in a differnt thread----

He isn't asking if anyone thinks it's a worthwhile pursuit, or even effective. He's asking how he can implement it.

And let me quote part of the AUP again ...just so it's fresh in all our minds:

Do not hijack topics.
Please try to stick to the author's first post in each topic, if you want to discuss something else, create a new topic.

If you want to start a topic about the futility of copy protecting private video creations, have at it. Don't hijack this man's legitimate question. Keep it technical and not judgmental ...please.

[khaymen]

First off, Thanks for all the answers.

Second, I do not think anyone on this forum is an idiot.

Yet.

I do however think a few misunderstood my post and still do not understand what information I sought.

I now have a few avenues I can check out, and can decide what is best for me to use.

To elaborate a little more on what I am trying to do and why I need to find something that shows an attempt to protect copyrighted files. I am planning on using files that others have the copyrights on to create something that will be distributed over the net to buyers. The permissions to use these files are pending on my use of copyright protection in some form to ATTEMPT to keep the files from being copied/distributed. Basically no attempt to protect the copyrights, no permmisions to use there files.
I know copyright protection is useless,you all know it's useless, and they know it's useless. But it's the effort they want, so be it.

It's all good, and again, thanks for all the responses.

[bazooka]

I would like to apologize for my rudeness.

I was out of line.

At least you know it is ineffective.

Try the link that Capmaster provided.

[khaymen]

Like I said, It's all good. No hard feelings.

Sorry if I made it seem like I was calling you an idiot. It wasn't meant to come across that way.


I'm checking out Microsofts DRM at the moment.

[Cornucopia]

Well since we now have the official idiot post out of the way,

Here comes the second idiot post!

Think about it for a second if the movie industry which is losing billons a year (thats billions with a B) in sales can't prevent there losses......

Gee, I wish I was "LOSING" that many billions a year as they say they are. (Posting record sales this year).

Capmaster, that Movieguard sounds good, except as soon as 1 pirate pays the registration and is given the keys, then its copyable like anything else.

Scott

[aero]

Well since we now have the official idiot post out of the way,

Here comes the second idiot post!

Think about it for a second if the movie industry which is losing billons a year (thats billions with a B) in sales can't prevent there losses......

Gee, I wish I was "LOSING" that many billions a year as they say they are. (Posting record sales this year).

Exactly, agree or disagree as we might with their methods or statemetns, they have prevented all but a tiny minority of losses. They have been effective against copying by all but a very tiny minority of consumers. Simple minded answers like "if it can be played it can be copied" are meaningless. As dumb as the film industry was with their opposition of VHS recorders, macrovision worked.