Newbies Please Read

[MOVIEGEEK]

When you ask a ripping,copying or divx question please don't mention the movie(film) name if the movie(film) HASN'T BEEN RELEASED YET OR YOU'RE COPYING A RENTAL,doing so will certainly lead to the thread being locked and you being warned or banned(not to mention you being flamed into oblivion).The reason is it's considered warez and is not tolerated,if you have any questions read the AUP.
Several times a week threads are locked because of this...use some common sense people.

rant over

PS...maybe Baldrick et al should make this a sticky.

[DVDDave]

That was a good one--it should be a sticky.

[Grimey]

If people can't be bothered to read the big red letters above their post entries, then i don't think they'd read a sticky either.
But good point though.

[gll99]

I would flag new users and print this text in the post box (with the proper fonts and colors). This would apply to anyone else that the mods deemed not to follow the posted rules.

Before you reply, please observe our following forum rules

Do NOT give warez.

Do NOT link to warez .

Do NOT ask for warez.

Do NOT provide information how to obtain warez.

Do NOT advocate warez.

Warez includes downloaded copyrighted movies, movies that are not yet released on VHS/DVD and copying rented movies.

Please try not to bump your topic(reply to your own topic) immediately, wait at least a few days.

Please do not hijacks topics, if you want to discuss something else create a new topic.

If you don't follow our rules your post may be removed without notice or you may get banned without notice. You find our complete Forum rules / Acceptable Use Policy(AUP) here.

They would be forced to erase the text before posting or their comment would be rejected.

p.s. If this is not possible then I would flag new users (or other rule breakers) and force an extra screen where they would read and answer yes to the rules before the posting screen would appear to start a new thread.

[Capmaster]

Most of the time it seems that newbies just don't stop to read the rules when they join. I suppose we're conditioned that way to a certain extent by the annoying text and the "Accept These Terms" button whenever we install new software. It's a habit to just click it without reading it first.

I try to cut newbies a little slack and give them a friendly reminder that they did indeed agree to the rules before their account was activated. Many have told me, with a fair amount of embarassment, that they didn't know something was against the forum rules. I usually remind them to READ THE RULES before further posting, and they agree and that's the end of trouble with them. It's just a matter of taking the time to read the AUP, which isn't that long and takes maybe a minute to read. And every page on the forum has a link to the rules at the top.

[d_unbeliever]

reading...

[makntraks]

Most of the time it seems that newbies just don't stop to read the rules when they join. I suppose we're conditioned that way to a certain extent by the annoying text and the "Accept These Terms" button whenever we install new software. It's a habit to just click it without reading it first.

I try to cut newbies a little slack and give them a friendly reminder that they did indeed agree to the rules before their account was activated. Many have told me, with a fair amount of embarassment, that they didn't know something was against the forum rules. I usually remind them to READ THE RULES before further posting, and they agree and that's the end of trouble with them. It's just a matter of taking the time to read the AUP, which isn't that long and takes maybe a minute to read. And every page on the forum has a link to the rules at the top.

So I gather your saying I can get AROUND the AUP as long as I don't mention the title (of something not released to the general public), which in fact sounds to me that is just making it easier for those "underhanded" people that "steal" copywritten material.....

Des that make sense, cause it did when it was in my head

makntraks

p.s. I guess what I'm saying is that you are telling people to follow the AUP and be compliant of said rules... but you can break the rules if you do so on the sly...
Does that make any more sense???

[indolikaa]

I just downloaded Spiderman 2 from Capmaster's personal hard drive. How do I take the XviD, remove all of the offensive and fictional material, and put it onto DVD?



DISCLAIMER: Oh please. You're not that ******* gullible, are you?

[Grimey]

remove all of the offensive and fictional material, and put it onto DVD?

you want to remove alll the fictional material from spiderman 2? wouldn't that be, you know, the whole thing?

[indolikaa]

remove all of the offensive and fictional material, and put it onto DVD?

you want to remove alll the fictional material from spiderman 2? wouldn't that be, you know, the whole thing?

Well, you know, I figured in the spirit that has become the hate war known as the 'Editing my DVD's for content' thread...

[Capmaster]

So I gather your saying I can get AROUND the AUP as long as I don't mention the title (of something not released to the general public),

You could have until you posted this

Seriously, I understood what you said. I don't think you interpreted what I said the way I meant it.

I was saying that after a while you can see the difference between newbie posters who are unsure of themselves, and seasoned members, or savvy spammers or warez solicitors. An honest noob mistake is one thing ...someone who has been here for 6 months or a year and has posted many times ...that's a different story. They should know better. All members should know better, but the brand new members sometimes need a friendly reminder that whatever other boards they belonged to, this one has strictly enforced warez rules and to save themselves grief, they really need to take the time and read the AUP.

So far, every noob has been apologetic, and grateful for the "dutch uncle" talk

[makntraks]

........... for the "dutch uncle" talk

So are you the one who invented "the Dutch Oven"???

makntraks

p.s. points taken and accepted... although I still reserve the right to make a point known... or flamed

[d_unbeliever]

ya be gentle with the newbies, flamed the old timers...

BTW capmaster, can i also download spiderman2 from your HD...i would highly appreciate it

[sacajaweeda]

We need a Python emoticon in the worst way here.

(wink! wink! nudge-nudge.....say no more! say no more!)

[DaveS]

you guys have the cart before the proverbial horse..the reason why people shouldn't post movie names is because copying them is illegal, and that's why the AUP is there in support of that...condoning it by just telling them to remove the name doesn't really get anyone that far...just one person's opinion

[Supreme2k]

That's why this thread should be re-made a sticky (I'm sure it was at one time).

[bazooka]

They still will not read it even if it is a sticky.

Most of the newbies have never taken hooked on phonics.

They also usually leave their brains at work.

[DaveS]

That's why this thread should be re-made a sticky (I'm sure it was at one time).

good post..I forgot about that one

[jimmalenko]

When you ask a ripping,copying or divx question please don't mention the movie(film) name if the movie(film) HASN'T BEEN RELEASED YET OR YOU'RE COPYING A RENTAL

As I read it, the above quote, paraphrased says "If you have material that we would define as warez and you name it, the thread will get locked because it is warez. However, if you still wish to copy said rentals, just don't tell us they're rentals and your questions will be answered."

Would informing noobs that they can get their questions answered regarding warez by offering an alternative method of posting the question be considered as advocating warez ?

In other words, should we be strictly pushing the No Rentals line - all power to those who are smart enough to realise the way around this on their own, instead of advertising the way around it so that every noob that has failed to read and/or comprehend the AUP and all the stickies can continue getting help selling the copied rentals to all and sundry ?

A few gross exaggerations I know, but you get the point ...

[Capmaster]

This clarification might make it easier to apply common sense when interpreting the warez rules:

1) The staff of Videohelp are not here to enforce laws. Frequently if it's illegal, we are against it ...because of the site's liability. It's not a moral judgment ..it's a judgment concerning Videohelp's vulnerability to lawsuits or criminal sanctions.

We are here to make sure that this site isn't being perceived as a place for pirates to gather and swap illegal downloads. This site could be shut down if movie and software copyright holders feel that staff here are not conscientiously trying to prevent warez from propagating as a result of Videohelp being here.

2) Mentioning downloading without mentioning titles, filenames, etc. does not in any way place this site at risk, because there is a fair amount of material out there that is public domain ...or amateur material that is downloaded from a friend via MSN Messenger (or even prearranged file names between friends using P2P as the mechanism). Downloading to a HD file is no different than acquiring any other media.

3) Discussing the practice of warez is discouraged because, while not technically against the rules, it usually leads to flaming because of opposing viewpoints, or outright mentioning of titles or practices in great detail. It's too volatile a subject, like religion or politics. In this case a moderator will make a judgment based on where he sees the topic heading, and act accordingly.

[jimmalenko]

I think the number 1 rule should be:

If in doubt, use the Report This Post link and a moderator will assess the situation as he/she? sees fit.

[anubis13]

So I gather your saying I can get AROUND the AUP as long as I don't mention the title (of something not released to the general public), which in fact sounds to me that is just making it easier for those "underhanded" people that "steal" copywritten material.....

Anyone can get around the AUP by lying, so just not mentioning the title makes it so you don't have to check up on potential liar ie: did that title really come out in their region or do their country really enforce the law the same as the US(who seem like the leader in copywrite enforcement).

[Cole]

Moviegeek wrote: When you ask a ripping,copying or divx question please don't mention the movie(film) name if the movie(film) HASN'T BEEN RELEASED YET OR YOU'RE COPYING A RENTAL,doing so will certainly lead to the thread being locked and you being warned or banned(not to mention you being flamed into oblivion).The reason is it's considered warez and is not tolerated,if you have any questions read the AUP.
Several times a week threads are locked because of this...use some common sense people.

From somewhere on the sidelines...

In my experience, if someone has got a copy of a film that has not been released on DVD yet, they usually want to boast about it. How often I have heard, "I got a copy of <insert film name here> in the Pub last night and it is only just out in the cinema!"

Also I can't really understand the need to say what the title of the film is that is being copied anyway, legal or otherwise, if the actual question is about what software to use. In a recent thread about VHS, I was going to post about tapes that I had got in a Charity shop to convert, but a last minute "hmmmm", made me take all of the titles out...

...maybe too over cautious?

[mats.hogberg]

I think the number 1 rule should be:

If in doubt, use the Report This Post link and a moderator will assess the situation as he/she? sees fit.

..and then rule #2 would be:
If you're damned surethe noOb has violated the AUP, don't start calling him a thief and worse - Just Report This Post!

/Mats

[MOVIEGEEK]

I wasn't making a moral statement saying "I am holier than thou",I just don't want to see this website get into trouble.
I realize people are going to copy rentals or friends DVD's and download copyrighted movies but there's no need to mention the name or how you got it.

[Supreme2k]

and then rule #2 would be:
If you're damned surethe noOb has violated the AUP, don't start calling him a thief and worse - Just Report This Post!

It's not always that blatant. Sometimes it a simple

"Warez" or "buy the movie" or even "what happened to the original?"

gets

"WHO THE HELL MADE YOU BOSS, JERK????!!! MY MOTHER SENT ME TMD_SKYCAPTAIN_CAM.AVI THROUGH EMAIL!!! SCREW YOU AND ALL THE JERKS HERE!!!"

and that's usually to the mods. To regular members, they're worse.