Shipman dead

[Will Hay]

Harold Shipman is dead.
Burn in hell, please.
Will

[The village idiot]

According to the Prison Officers Association, he had hidden himself behind the curtains.

They have curtains in jail? Not here, at least not for mass murderers.

[housepig]

Harold Shipman is dead.
Burn in hell, please.

vested interest? lots of vitriol for a news item....

[Will Hay]

vested interest?

Erm, nope.

lots of vitriol for a news item....

Personally I wouldn't call one comment 'lots of vitriol', but where I come from such evil is frowned upon.
I have no idea where you are but please, confirm; I'll aviod the place as if my life depended on it.
W.

[Ziffelpig]

The scumbag got off far too easy, would have been much better if he had to spend the rest of his life in solitary confinement or had died from a nice brutal beating/stabbing by another inmate like what happened to Jeffery Dahmer.

[Will Hay]

Yeah, or even like the Yorkshire Ripper, who was stabbed in the eye by a fellow inmate.
Thankfully he survived.
Will

[rallynavvie]

200+ people is obviously terrible. But we lived in the neighboring state to Jeffrey Dahmer. It's one thing to kill 200+ people with an overdose of a drug, it's quite another to... well... there's no need to discuss that other lunatic's misdeeds

[tgpo]

200 people!!! Holy Crap!

[housepig]

lots of vitriol for a news item....

Personally I wouldn't call one comment 'lots of vitriol', but where I come from such evil is frowned upon.
I have no idea where you are but please, confirm; I'll aviod the place as if my life depended on it.

damn, Will... ease off.

my comment wasn't a condemnation of your attitude, rather I was curious, since
- there aren't a lot of posts on this board about serial killers dying in prison (rather off-topic even for Off Topic)
- you may not have said much, but it was dripping with venom (maybe I should have said "loaded with" instead of "lots of" vitriol)

so I wondered if maybe someone you knew / were related to was one of the victims.

but since you asked, I live in Minneapolis, Minnesota, just to the left of Wisconsin (home of Dahmer, Ed Gein and Joe McCarthy) on your world map. And we don't care much for serial murderers here either.

jeeez....

[Will Hay]

200 people!!! Holy Crap!

I think that was just the suggestion, I understand he was convicted for around 15 (if I remember correctly).
Strange case; he just didn't seem to be the sort (but they never are, are they?).
Will

[John James]

Not much of a life as being a mass murderer of 200.

He might just as well be dead than to remain in jail for life costing a fortune to keep him locked up.

[Will Hay]

I was watching a news item about the case last night and it got me thinking about this John (James).
As you probably know his TV priveledges were taken away recently, as were his right to wear normal clothes (rather than prison issue).
This was due to hiss piss-poor attitude to prison staff (it was widely reported at the time of his trial how arrogant he was).
The news item struck a chord insofar as it was thought Shipman realised he had finally lost control of his own life, that he was no longer in charge of any aspect of his future and this was perhaps the reason for his suicide.
From what I heard of the case it could be contrued that Shipman just enjoyed the position he was in, and the power he had in being able to determine life.
This is what may have caused him to kill.
Knowing how much he thrived on power and control I think keeping him alive in a prison where he had nothing would have been punishment indeed.
I think its the first time I've realised the benefit of prison; Shipman would have been completely ******* miserable in prison, for the rest of his life.
By killing himself hes released himself from this torment.
I would have gladly set aside a penny of my tax contributions to keep this killer in a state of complete misery.
A completely selfish man; having watched some of the relatives of his victims on TV last night saying how they were still holding out for some remorse, some reasoning as to why he did what he did and how that chance has now gone was rather upsetting.
Will

[gmatov]

Second post, first must not have regged.

What the hell did he do. How many people did he kill. How'd he kill them?

Dahmer ate his victims. Wha'd this guy do? Or is it the typical Brit thing, he used a Firearm to do it? Or did he use a typical Brit thing, a battleaxe?

Or, hell, an Aussie thing, a "frozen leg'o lamb"?

Or did the guy kill kids?

Who the hell is he?????

Cheers,

George

[Craig Tucker]

He was a doctor (GP) he killed his elderly patients by giving them an overdose of morphine. He was convicted of killing 15 of his patients, but it is believed that the actual number that he murdered is over 200.

Shipman murder victims number up to 300

[John James]

I was watching a news item about the case last night and it got me thinking about this John (James).

Were you thinking of what I said?

Shipman would have been completely ******* miserable in prison, for the rest of his life. By killing himself he released himself from this torment.

You know and I know his reason for his suicide. No one wants life in prison, this would be life in hell.

I would have gladly set aside a penny of my tax contributions to keep this killer in a state of complete misery.

Would you rather see him die as an old man after years in prison for his crime?

A completely selfish man; having watched some of the relatives of his victims on TV last night saying how they were still holding out for some remorse, some reasoning as to why he did what he did and how that chance has now gone was rather upsetting.

This is a very sad conclusion for his victims and 200 lives taken away. Finding the reasons and the answers as gone with his suicide. Certainly, this would be upsetting for the relatives.

To me, a life in prison won't bring back 200 and this will never pay. This is a sad, terrible crime, never get their love ones back. This is a loss forever.

A life in prison is still best for justice than execution. Will Hay, do you think so?

John

[gmatov]

Craig,

Were they elderly as in "If euthenasia were legal, these people would ask for it", i.e. bedridden, semicomatose, non-lucid, in severe pain, which in the states the doctors are not permitted to prescribe sufficient painkillers for, for fear of going to jail, or were they just older people who ambled on into the doc's office at the appointed time, hoping to leave in 20 minutes or so?

If the former, can you say he did true harm? Someone who may have prayed to die to be relived of his/her suffering?

Thete is not a doctor living who understands real pain. "I know what you're feeling, I smashed my thumb in the Mercedes door, once, and if you know how well built those cars are you'd appreciate that I can feel your pain."

Bull shit. If these people were not terminal, different story. But the medical profession has a long history of keeping people alive long enough to milk them dry.

In the states the CDC estimates that 100,000 people, relatively healthy people, die in hospital, per year, due to "medical misadventure".

Ah, well, till someone less "vitriolic" answers, I gotta sign off.

Cheers,

George

[Craig Tucker]

Craig,

Were they elderly as in "If euthenasia were legal, these people would ask for it", i.e. bedridden, semicomatose, non-lucid, in severe pain, which in the states the doctors are not permitted to prescribe sufficient painkillers for, for fear of going to jail, or were they just older people who ambled on into the doc's office at the appointed time, hoping to leave in 20 minutes or so?

The latter, in fact one patient I believe just wanted a course of vitamins.

[gmatov]

If so, totaly different.

Though why a patient would go to see an MD for vitamins, I don't know. They have spent the last 50 years arguing against dietary supplements.

"You get all you need from a healthy diet and the advice I give you. Them pipple is quacks.".

Cheers,

George

Off to bed.Night all.

[John James]

There was another multi-murder case in US Hospitals.

A nurse, Charles Cullen who worked in several hospitals in the areas of New Jersey and Pennsylvania who has been charged with one count of murder and attempted murder, claims he has "mercy killed" 30 to 40 patients since 1987.

Check out: http://www.injuryboard.com/view.cfm/Topic=1227

This is Charles Cullen.

[Will Hay]

Second post, first must not have regged.

What the hell did he do. How many people did he kill. How'd he kill them?

Dahmer ate his victims. Wha'd this guy do? Or is it the typical Brit thing, he used a Firearm to do it? Or did he use a typical Brit thing, a battleaxe?

Or, hell, an Aussie thing, a "frozen leg'o lamb"?

Or did the guy kill kids?

Who the hell is he?????

Cheers,

George

Posts like this make me wonder why I bother providing a link in the initial post
Time for bed George, you must be tired
What is it lordsmurfie constantly bealts about?
"..when did people learn to write before they could read?"

Only playing George, bored this end.
Wife getting huge, eight weeks to go, little Daniel nearly two years old and I'm 33 next week.
Where did the time go?
Will

[Will Hay]

Were you thinking of what I said?

No, I was watching the news item, thinking the same and then saw your post this morning

Would you rather see him die as an old man after years in prison for his crime?

A life in prison is still best for justice than execution. Will Hay, do you think so?

I don't believe in the death penalty, but in the same breath I find it hard to accept that certain offenders get it 'easy' within the UK prison service.
My opinion of the death penalty is not borne from some religious belief, I simply beleive death is too good an option for some of these people, and people who abuse children, commit pre-meditated murder and commit rape should be made to suffer, suffer in a manner equal to that of their victims and victims families.
I recently remember seeing a photograph of a child killer coming out of a hospital. He was admited for some routine thing and was handcuffed to a proson guard.
the thing that fucked me off was his expression.
He was smiling.
Not smiling in he'd just heard a joke, but smiling insomuch as he looked happy.
Why?
This guy had raped and killed a (circa) ten year old girl (I think, but may be wrong, it was Sarah Payne).
I can't grasp how these people should be given an alternative, comfortable and protected lifestyle, however confined, when the family of this poor girl have to forever live in torment in knowing how their daughter died.
I'm not suggesting these vile people be stoned daily, but I don't believe they should ever have the opportunity to be 'happy' (in the conventional sense) again.
Will

[Hardcoreruss]

In the paper today they say he apparently confided in his cell mate and said he lost count at 200 and thought it was around 400 !!!

[indolikaa]

Will,

I've never heard of this case before. But I wonder about something. Correct me if I'm wrong, but England doesn't have a death penalty, right? If you don't, has a case like this (or the two kids abducted a few years back) rekindled any debate about the death penalty?

Just curious.

[Craig Tucker]

Will,

I've never heard of this case before. But I wonder about something. Correct me if I'm wrong, but England doesn't have a death penalty, right? If you don't, has a case like this (or the two kids abducted a few years back) rekindled any debate about the death penalty?

Just curious.

Not really, We do still have the death penalty but only for high treason.

[indolikaa]

Thank you, Craig.