DVD-R/RW being discontinued?

[Aceventura]

My local supplier of DVD disks (Cape Town, SA) has told me that DVD-R/RW disks are being discontinued. I was just wondering if anyone has heard anything similar
It does not concern me too much as I am a DVD+ comsumer, I am just curious.

[defense]

did your local supplier claim to have rights to the Brooklyn Bridge to sell to you as well? If so, do yourself a favor and pass on that offer. Sounds like your local supplier is full of horse maneur...either that..or you misunderstood him. Maybe they are personally discontinuing that format within' their store....but the format is going nowhere anytime soon.

[Aceventura]

I see elsewhere in this forum that someone else (from Belgium) has a similar question.

[lordsmurf]

Gullibility strikes again.

[bebrewer1]

Again, for the previous year DVD-R accounts for about 85% of the total DVD media sold globally. I HIGHLY doubt it is going away any time in the next 3-4 years if then.

[Trenton_Net]

Again, for the previous year DVD-R accounts for about 85% of the total DVD media sold globally. I HIGHLY doubt it is going away any time in the next 3-4 years if then.

Yes, that's correct. DVD-R is the offical DVD-Forum standard and no proffesionals in the movie business even touch DVD+R, let alone use that spec for mastering or authoring. DVD+R's are not authorized by the DVD-Forum, so they can't use the offical DVD Disk logo, nor are they as compatable with DVD players unless the manufacture goes out of their way to support it. In addition, that compatability bit nonsense is a totally stupid hack to begin with because even by using that hack you still can't get many normal Players (pre DVD+R) to use them!

No matter how much DVD+R owners keep trying to rationalize their bad purchases, the fact of the matter is, DVD-R is what most of the world uses. DVD+R is a small offshoot standard which is really only popular in the USA where computer companys like DELL or HP buddle them into computers.

[coyote]

don't start a flame ware here.....

I have a +R.....am I happy with it? Yep....I have made a coaster since the first month I bought it (June of 2002).

Was it compatable with my dvd player.......no.....but neither was -r (it was an older Aiwa)

Are both formats going to become obsolete? Yep. Will I buy the newer tech? Eventually.

As long as you are happy with what you got, who cares?

[coyote]

Typo on that last one...I haven't made a coaster since the first month I had it

[tompika]

Hey, Trenton_Net!

You must be one of those proffesionals..., right?

[kabanero]

Hey, Trenton_Net!

I am v-v-v-v-ery sorry for you that you bought DVD-"MINUS" drive.

Did you read Doom9 news? Here is the quote from November 18:

"Staying with burners for a moment, TEAC, who was selling a rebranded Pioneer single format 4x burner now seems to be joining the DVD+ camp. Their DV-W58E unit, already available as part of certain Dell computers is an 8x DVD+R burner, writing DVD+RW at 4x and CD-R/W at 32x/16."

Did you read FAQ from http://www.dvddemystified.com?

Here is the qoute from that FAQ:

"[4.3.5] DVD+RW and DVD+R

DVD+RW is an erasable format based on CD-RW technology. It became available in late 2001. DVD+RW is supported by Philips, Sony, Hewlett-Packard, Dell, Ricoh, Yamaha, and others. It is not supported by the DVD Forum (even though most of the DVD+RW companies are members), but the Forum has no power to set standards. "

Here is direct link: http://www.dvddemystified.com/dvdfaq.html#4.3.5

[triphop]

Bollocks God - the internet is full of absurd opinions and this is just another one! Can you say "Betamax" - Its what all the professionals use(d). And that 85% number is somewhat suspect - any credible sources for it? Heres a question for you: How many "pure" DVD-R/W writers are being produced these days? Heres another question: How come we need two -R formats if its so great? [authoring and general] And another question: Where is 8x -R?

I am sorry to say this but NO technology is perfect and +r/rw has the distinct advantage of learning from mistakes that -r/rw made. I will concede that -r/rw is more compatible with the installed base of players. This will change and become a non-issue.

Get used to a world with parity between the formats and be thankful for it - without the competition between the formats who knows how much they could have cost. Sometime in the next year I think +r/w will dominate. But I will always have a dual format recorder so it will not be issue for me. But, you know those "professionals"...

Again, for the previous year DVD-R accounts for about 85% of the total DVD media sold globally. I HIGHLY doubt it is going away any time in the next 3-4 years if then.

Yes, that's correct. DVD-R is the offical DVD-Forum standard and no proffesionals in the movie business even touch DVD+R, let alone use that spec for mastering or authoring. DVD+R's are not authorized by the DVD-Forum, so they can't use the offical DVD Disk logo, nor are they as compatable with DVD players unless the manufacture goes out of their way to support it. In addition, that compatability bit nonsense is a totally stupid hack to begin with because even by using that hack you still can't get many normal Players (pre DVD+R) to use them!

No matter how much DVD+R owners keep trying to rationalize their bad purchases, the fact of the matter is, DVD-R is what most of the world uses. DVD+R is a small offshoot standard which is really only popular in the USA where computer companys like DELL or HP buddle them into computers.

[Trenton_Net]

NTSC = North america, Japan.
PAL = The rest of the world.

DVD+R = North America
DVD-R = The rest of the world.

So if you live in the US thats fine, but for others DVD+R is a totaly useless option. Heck, even organized crime in Asia uses DVD-R media for selling movies (Or pressed disks altogether) instead of DVD+R. In fact China is trying to push their own DVD format (EVD) for use. If anything that will pick up faster in Asia than DVD+R. Just like how VCDs and Chinese SVCDs beat out VHS.

[triphop]

Trenton_Net - I think that you are a troll The reason being is that you speak in absolutes and refuse to substantiate. Also not sure what NTSC/PAL has to do with this discussion - what about SECAM?! And its quite ludicrous your statement about DVD+R being limited to the US - its not and you know this. DVD+/-R is not limited to the US by technical or any other reason. If this was the case why do Taiwanese, Korean, Japanese, Chinese manufacturers product DVD+R/W products for their local markets? Also why do the members of the DVD+RW alliance hail from the US, Europe and Japan?

Why don't you start thinking about the world outside the constraints of your opinion? Its liberating and most educational.

[bebrewer1]

My last comment since I was asked to provide reference-

Ritek Company CEO Gordon Yeh estimated that demand for DVD-R discs will be about 160 million units while demand for the DVD+R, DVD+RW, DVD-RW and DVD-RAM formats will be about 40 million discs each.

That's the CEO of Ritek saying that DVD-R will outpace DVD+R by a factor of 4 to 1 for 2003.

http://www.dvd-recordable.net/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=140

[kabanero]

Trenton

Where is 8x -R???

Where is at least 4x -RW???

And what about Europe???

[kabanero]

My last comment since I was asked to provide reference-

Ritek Company CEO Gordon Yeh estimated that demand for DVD-R discs will be about 160 million units while demand for the DVD+R, DVD+RW, DVD-RW and DVD-RAM formats will be about 40 million discs each.

That's the CEO of Ritek saying that DVD-R will outpace DVD+R by a factor of 4 to 1 for 2003.

http://www.dvd-recordable.net/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=140

bebrewer1

Did you see the date of the article??? - Posted Nov 25, 2002 - 01:57 PM


Did you see the verbs? - ...will be... would be... estimated ...

Predictions that didn't happen.

[vitualis]

What is wrong with you people?

DVD-R/W is alive and well.

So is DVD+R/W.

Neither one is going away anytime soon.

DVD-R/W media has obviously outsold DVD+R/W media in 2003.

Dual format burners are outselling both single format - and + drives.

The DVD forum doesn't have the "power to set standards" but it does have the power to say what get's to have the "DVD logo" on it.

DVD+R/W will probably come out with 8x media before DVD-R/W.

I didn't think any of this was in dispute anymore.

I am locking this rather lame thread as it is going nowhere.

Regards.