replacement for ATI 9600XT

[lazybum]

What would be a worthy successor to my ATI 9600XT All in Wonder card, in terms of features, flexibility, etc? (mostly capturing from a VCR) It has to run on Windows 7. I am building a new computer from scratch. Thanks!

[16mmJunkie]

What would be a worthy successor to my ATI 9600XT All in Wonder card, in terms of features, flexibility, etc? (mostly capturing from a VCR) It has to run on Windows 7. I am building a new computer from scratch. Thanks!

What is your current items(i.e. MOBO, CPU, Power Supply, Monitor, etc...) you have put together for this "New" computer? What are you planning on using this computer for?(Gamer, Video Projects, Just plain surfing and email) That will help in making some recommendations. Otherwise we would be shooting in the dark. Almost any modern day card would work with Windows 7 OS. (ie Nivida Geforce 7300GT)


16mmJunkie

[lordsmurf]

It can't be done.

New computers use PCI-e, not AGP. PCI-e capture cards are all crap so far, including ATI. The ATI of old is gone, AMD now runs ATI.

Keep your old computer for capturing. Make a new computer for everything else. Use a KVM, and you can keep one mouse, one monitor, one keyboard, one set of speakers.
Get the Airlink http://www.amazon.com/gp/redirect.html?ie=UTF8&location=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2F...reative=390957

More about this at http://www.digitalfaq.com/forum/showthread.php/using-kvm-control-1615.html

Time has not been kind of video capturing. It's gotten worse, sadly. You ALREADY OWN the best solution for capturing in good quality. Something newer will be a DOWNGRADE for you.

[Video Head]

Are there not motherboards that support the new processors/memory/SATA and still have a legacy AGP slot? I thought I saw this in a previous post and would be happy if was true.

[lordsmurf]

Windows 7 will probably still be an issue, as would be Windows Vista.

There are some AGP slot boards out there for newer dual-core systems, but you'll want to look at all the specs carefully. Some of them, for example, don't work well with SATA burners -- little things to watch for.

[16mmJunkie]

Well if his worried only about capture and he's going to use a VCR (?) why not use a canopus box like the old ADVC 100 I have. I don't think you can get one of those anymore(maybe ebay), but the 110, 300 model should work via firewire connection still. I have toyed with Windows 7 OS 64 RC a bit on one of my dual core machines and all worked fine either analog or DV. Granted I didn't do any big project, but it worked.(And I'm stuck on working with Linux in my free time right now) And as his post looked to me he's looking to replace AGP and move forward. I think both Vista and 7 get a bad rap sometimes,(If you chose to move to a upgrade.. your system needs it as well) part of the fun is setting up parameters on a project. I personally don't want a one click program. And we seem to live in a one click world now days. Sure if your just ripping DVD's and making personal copies it's okay. I like to create menus, graphics, etc... when I transfer PD films.(or even home movies)

I LOVE my Canopus box...still use it today, along with my stand alones, (Along with XP Pro)


16mmJunkie

PS Hope I didn't vary from the original post to much

[edDV]

Even if you got a mobo with AGP, the AIW 9600XT only has Vista display drivers, not capture or MMC. It was declared "legacy" post XP.
http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/windows/Legacy/Pages/radeonaiw_vista32.aspx?type...4&lang=English

You could do a dual XP/Win7 boot, then use XP to capture.

The Asus P5PE was one of the early Core2Duo mobos with AGP. Intel made some with AGP and PCIe 16 bit slots.

[Video Head]

Yes, the OP wants to move on and leave AGP behind...I agree. But they are going to be hard pressed to find something that equals the ATI 9600 AIW in a modern card. It really is too bad that they ended these great cards in favour of the "one button does it all for everyone" cards we see today. I keep my AIW 9800 Pro AGP running in an older XP system for that very reason. I am lucky that I also have newer systems and the 9800 only gets called on to do capture duties these days.

[lordsmurf]

why not use a canopus box like the old ADVC 100 I have.

Because the Canopus box would also be a DOWNGRADE from this specific ATI AIW card. The Canopus cannot even come close to the quality of the ATI here.

[bendixG15]

why not use a canopus box like the old ADVC 100 I have.

Because the Canopus box would also be a DOWNGRADE from this specific ATI AIW card. The Canopus cannot even come close to the quality of the ATI here.

OK LS - You are entitled to voice your opinion - a majority of one .....

My opinion is that the Canopus ADVC 100 is the best solution.

[16mmJunkie]

why not use a canopus box like the old ADVC 100 I have.

Because the Canopus box would also be a DOWNGRADE from this specific ATI AIW card. The Canopus cannot even come close to the quality of the ATI here.

I agree to disagree with you on this. I for one (and not being or claiming a EXPERT ) have realized that when it comes to transfer in home (unless you have a pro setup which I personally couldn't afford and a staff of 12 working on restoration) your capture of the image is only as good as your source. Sure you can do mild improvements on a desktop with software or hardware but when it comes down to it if you have a poor image you will still have a poor image in end. I've transferred UMatic, Beta, VHS, SVHS, PAL,SECAM 8mm, 16mm, DV and found this true. Film I can clean with products make sure my telecine is real clean before I transfer...but in the end what I started with is the best image available. 2nd generations 3rd generations tapes are going to provide poor image. No matter what low end/high end desktop product you use. Some like apples and some like oranges I Love my Canopus, their product IMHO out-way ATI now and then.

This OP was looking to build a "NEW" unit and has yet to reply with anymore information as to what he's attempting to do. LordSmurf has offered an opinion, others have as well as myself. I don't want to get into a mines bigger than yours posting, so I'll move to other threads and try to offer some help. I rarely do any tape transfers anymore(unless it's for a customer), I still do film since my nickname will tell you my hobby( and part of my occupation), but most of my New stuff is DV... I'm moving forward

16mmJunkie

[Video Head]

[quote="16mmJunkie"][quote="lordsmurf"]

I rarely do any tape transfers anymore(unless it's for a customer)

Ditto.

I wonder if the OP knows what they have...they are probably doing their homework right now, before they put it out for curbside pick-up.

[lordsmurf]

your capture of the image is only as good as your source

For probably 95-99% of the people who might say this, I disagree. They plug up a low-grade consumer VHS VCR, play an old tape made on another VCR or camera, and then think the grain, hiss and tracking is just something they have to live with. It's not. It can look better than that. Your DVD doesn't have to be a mirror of that fuzzy unpleasant tape.

For the slim 1-5% that know about video, you're correct. The resolution is fixed lower than DVD. The color encoding varies. Some rarer errors can't be corrected for. It can be tweaked and corrected, but not perfected.

Most of the projects I do these days are redo's -- people were given a mirror of their VHS tape, from lazy or inferior services. What I do looks at least double as good as tape. It's all about hardware, software, experience, knowledge. While "garbage in, garbage out" is true, sometimes you don't have "garbage in" and may not know it!

[lordsmurf]

, before they put it out for curbside pick-up.

It should be removed and sold. People want these good cards! 8)