Burn DVD-A: More than 4,7 Gb

[Maleier]

Hello folks,

I have an .ISO file, containing .aob files for DVD-A, but it exceeds the 4,7 Gb of a DVD.
There are 5 .aob files. The 5th one is ATS_01_5.AOB and about 720 MB. When I remove this then it fits on a DVD. I burn it with Nero but in Nero you alway have to add something in the Video_TS folder. Is that always neccesary?
I drop the .aob files, some .ifo and bup files and also a .vob file in the Audio_TS map. When I burn the dvd it plays alright on my computer, using PowerDVD Deluxe as a DVD-A (MLP 5.1), but my DVD-A stanalone player will not recognize the DVD. It's unsupported. I have burned several DVD-A when they where in an .ISO file, but when I burn this .ISO file with Magic-ISO then my standalone DVD-player will not recognize it at al (with Nero burning my standalone at least says it's a DVD-A, but cannot play it).

Second related question. Is a DVD the same when I just make 2 maps with Video_TS and Audio_TS and put the necesary files in it, for example in DATA-DVD modus in Nero is there a structure change when I'm using the DVD-Video modus of Nero with it's premade maps "Video_TS" and Audio_TS)?

How can burn the .aob files to make a working DVD-A?

[lordsmurf]

You need to read how a DVD works.

What is "DVD-A" supposed to mean?
Is that a DVD-R Authoring burner/disc?

[mats.hogberg]

If you can't write the ISO as is (which you can on a DVD-9), you'll have to use an authoring app capable of authoring Audio DVD, if it's possible to at all author Audio DVD with an Audio DVD as source material.

There are only a few DVD-Audio authoring programs. The major titles are: Sonic Solutions' Sonic Studio HD and DVD Creator, and Minnetonka's MASS 5.1.

/Mats

[Maleier]

A DVD-A is an DVD-Audio with high quality sound on it (losless sound).
It sounds better than a standard CD and has the same quality as a SACD.

These files are in the Audio_TS map in stead of the Video_TS. It's really great to listen to this high quality sound (the source can't be much better, it's studio quality).

[Noahtuck]

DVD-A stands for DVD AUDIO with files in the AUDIO_TS folder.

It depends on how you obtained this ISO as about 99% of DVD AUDIO disc's have the contents in the AUDIO_TS folder heavily protected and can not just be copied like you would a dvd video or homemade disc.

& no you do not have to have any files in the VIDEO_TS folder.

When i back up and or author true DVD AUDIO disc's i just use imgburn.

If you just rip the contents to your HDD and burn back to a dvdr, even if it fits, a standalone will note it is a DVD-A disc but will not play most of them because of the copy protection/security involved.

I use DigiOnAudio2 to author my DVD-A disc's and use it to help in the process of decrypting and stripping protections from the original raw files, among a couple of other programs.
DVD AUDIO is much more time consuming to copy than any other media i know, except SACD which as far as i know is still impossible to do.

EDIT:
Oh yeah... if it won't fit on a single layer theny ou have to use a DL or reauthor the disc and leave something out, there is no way around that, it's not like a video dvd where you can compress something.

[Maleier]

What can DigiOnAudio2 do for me ?
Delete a fragment of music so the .aob will be smaller?

If I burn it on a DVD-9 will it play on my standalone, because it will not play if I remove 1 .aob file. My DVD-player recognizes it as a DVD-A, but the disc is incompatible. Is that because I deleted 1 .aob file?

[mats.hogberg]

If I burn it on a DVD-9 will it play on my standalone, because it will not play if I remove 1 .aob file.

Who knows? But I'd think the odds are infinately much better.

/Mats

[Maleier]

I just burned a DVD Double Layer (8.5 Gb) with a filled Video_TS folder and the Audio_TS folder. My stand-alone gives the same notification so I'm certain that the problem is in the fact that the Audio is 5.1 en my standalone only can handle DVD-A with a downgrade to 2.0 or 2.1. Probably the DVD-A section is secured so it isn't possible to play the DVD-A, unless you play it in a DVD-A player that handles 5.1 (analog wired in stead of digital tosslink or coax)

[GeorgeW]

There are only a few DVD-Audio authoring programs. The major titles are: Sonic Solutions' Sonic Studio HD and DVD Creator, and Minnetonka's MASS 5.1.

Ulead's DVD MovieFactory 6 Plus creates DVD-AUDIO discs. It has a burning engine, and might be able to burn the image (I'm not certain if it will work with a DVD-A from another program).

Regards,
George

[Maleier]

I have DVD MovieFactory 5 Plus and it doesn't work with the burning engine to make a compatible DVD-A

[ntscuser]

I just burned a DVD Double Layer (8.5 Gb) with a filled Video_TS folder and the Audio_TS folder. My stand-alone gives the same notification so I'm certain that the problem is in the fact that the Audio is 5.1 en my standalone only can handle DVD-A with a downgrade to 2.0 or 2.1. Probably the DVD-A section is secured so it isn't possible to play the DVD-A, unless you play it in a DVD-A player that handles 5.1 (analog wired in stead of digital tosslink or coax)

Do you in fact have a DVD-Audio player? It sounds to me as if you're just playing the Dolby Digital, DTS or PCM backup tracks which many so-called DVD-Audio titles also contain.

[Alex_ander]

How can burn the .aob files to make a working DVD-A?

1.You can only make a custom DVDA, not a copy of commercial one, play on standalone due to copy protection (CPPM with unbeatable watermarking).

2. Nero can properly burn DVDA from disc image and not from AUDIO_TS folder: it even doesn't sort files in right order so that standalone could find audio manager files. Gear Pro is a certified tool for this.

3.There are some chances to burn it playable after deleting the last object (and testing on RW) but it's better to re-author it (e.g. discWelder Chrome).

[jman98]

I just burned a DVD Double Layer (8.5 Gb) with a filled Video_TS folder and the Audio_TS folder. My stand-alone gives the same notification so I'm certain that the problem is in the fact that the Audio is 5.1 en my standalone only can handle DVD-A with a downgrade to 2.0 or 2.1. Probably the DVD-A section is secured so it isn't possible to play the DVD-A, unless you play it in a DVD-A player that handles 5.1 (analog wired in stead of digital tosslink or coax)

There's no such thing as a DVD-A player that only supports 2.0 or 2.1, so that's definitely not your problem. Burning DVD-A discs requires specialized software, as other posters have stated. Your problem could be any number of things from media brand to what you burned it with. It could even be that maybe the firmware on your player doesn't think to check for DVD-A on burnable media. That's unlikely, but I wouldn't say it's impossible. Finally, I don't think you told us if you used DVD+R DL or DVD-R DL and it makes a huge difference. DVD-R DL must be burned in a special way and I'm not sure if Nero can burn the -R DL discs correctly or not. Finally, you wisely didn't tell us your source for the DVD-A files, but you should be aware that while DVD-A can be ripped, it has to be ripped with special programs that are very difficult to find and special things have to be done to take care of DVD-A watermarking. If the person who ripped it was not aware of DVD-A's special requirements, even that could be your real problem.

[Maleier]

To ntscuser:
I definitely have a DVD-A player from Panasonic, but it only supports 2 channel DVD-A. It down-mixes all 5.1 DVD-A.

To Alex-ander:
It is not possible to edit .aob files in Discwelder Chrome. It only handles wave files to import. I made several DVD-A with wave files and import them in DiscWelder Chrome. That works alright !

To jman98:
In my user-instruction of my Panasonic DMR-ES10 they say that if the maker of the DVD-A don't want that it can be plaid on a DVD-A player with 2 channel output there's a possibility that the audio can't be heard.

I have several times burned DVD-A that were in a .iso format and burned it directly with magic-iso. It works fine. In the image (.iso) there was a Audio_TS folder with the .aob files.

I used a DVD+R DL.

I can try the DVD-A in a player that supports 5.1 output. The sentence you use at the end is probably the case.

DVD_A has to be ripped before yoy can burn it and I think that the person just copied the audio_TS folder, don't you think?

[GeorgeW]

Maybe the issue is burning in the wrong file order (similar to DVD-VIDEO files needing to be burned in the correct order on the disc)

I haven't done any DVD-AUDIO DVD's, but I just created a test image using Ulead's DVD MovieFactory 6 Plus.

Looking at the file structure, it appears to go as follows:

AUDIO_PP.IFO
AUDIO_TS.IFO
AUDIO_TS.BUP
ATS_01_0.IFO
ATS_01_1.AOB
ATS_01_0.BUP

So try burning a dvd in nero, but drop the files in using that order (NOTE: I don't know if this will work, just guessing the files have to be burned in proper sequence).

Regards,
George

[Maleier]

I tried this sequence, but it also says that the disc is incotible.
I also have 2 .vob files in de audio_TS folder (AUDIO_TS.VOB and AUDIO_VS.VOB)