Dual Layer Burning

[tracker66]

I just got a new Dual Layer drive. I have never burned a dual layer before. Will it work with DVD XCopy Platinum. Do I have to do anything different. Thanks...if there is a guide I should be looking at for this, please direct me to it.

[hech54]

You're better off just using DVDDecrypter.

[computer2slow]

Nope sorry. I also like the idiot proof and faster Xcopy.

[Denvers Dawgs]

Yea just use dvddecrypter. If you still just want the movie with out all the warnings and extras, use shrink to edit them out and then just save the project as an iso, and then burn with decrypter.

[edDV]

I just got a new Dual Layer drive. I have never burned a dual layer before. Will it work with DVD XCopy Platinum. Do I have to do anything different. Thanks...if there is a guide I should be looking at for this, please direct me to it.

Did "DVD XCopy Platinum" come with the drive and did they claim to be dual layer capable? Seems like you need to call them.

BTW, dual layer media is expensive still but coming down slowly.

[fritzi93]

Yea just use dvddecrypter. If you still just want the movie with out all the warnings and extras, use shrink to edit them out and then just save the project as an iso, and then burn with decrypter. I just did that on my Star Wars IV-VI. Movies were still about 6gb after editing.

Alright! So DVDDecrypter did the layer break correctly even after modifying the files? I've been too cheap to risk trying that. Done full backups though no problem.

Uh, to the OP: Use DVDDecrypter.

[mn072065]

Following this thread I have a question. When I receive my dual layer ritek printable, using decrypter, can I get a one to one copy or I would still need to use dvd shrink? Thanks all.

[Denvers Dawgs]

you can get a 1-1, still need to get past encryption, so use decrypter to save to hd then just burn to dvd

[mn072065]

Sorry again, but can you explain or point me to the direction of understanding of a layer break? Do I have to turn the balnk dual layer around or it does fit on one side? Thanks and sorry for all the questions.

[guns1inger]

Dual-layer (or double-layer depending on the format) is exactly that. Two layers, one on top of the other. The laser reads from the centre out until it reaches the end of layer one, then refocuses to read the second layer back the centre. The point where the layer change occurs is called the layer break. On a well authored disk, the layer break occurs in a fade to black or some other suitable place where a slight pause won't be noticed. On a poorly authored disk you will see a noticable pause.

Whereever possible, you want your burning software to preserve the break position from the original, rather than have a new layer break just dumped in the middle of a scene artbitrarily. DVD Decrypter in ISO mode preserves the layer break from the original disk. Running the disk through Shrink or any other program to change the layout can also affect the position of the layer break. This is because the layer break must also follow certain rules, and changing the layout of the disk can force the break point to shift to meet these rules.

[Nilfennasion]

Not to mention the simple fact that some DVD players, and even some DVD-ROM drives, cannot read DVD+R DLs unless the data is more or less in exactly the same place as on the original. Or the disc has been bitset. Or both. I have been trying for months to find a way to copy just the film to a DVD+R DL and have the layer change in the same spot, only to be told it is impossible.

[SaSi]

I tried two 1:1 copies with DVDDecrypter. On the first attempt, I made a genuine 1:1 copy, which means I did not enable DVDDecryter to remove the PUOs (like skipping warnings or FF in certain segments - like intro).

This copy worked fine.

I then made another copy while enabling the PUO removal.

This copy did not playback on the standalone DVD player and ALSO on my PC with PowerDVD. It started ok and even entered the main menu intro video but before displaying the actual menu locked up. It had exactly the same behaviour with PowerDVD as well - so I gather that the PUO removal broke some links and the structure became logically corrupt.

[Denvers Dawgs]

what media did you use?

[leebo]

SaSi, I have to disagree with you.

I have not only removed PUO's, but I've removed FBI warnings, etc. and the DL discs played fine. I did this with DVDRemake.

[lordsmurf]

Nope sorry. I also like the idiot proof and faster Xcopy.

Which also alters the disc contents and puts it's stupid "MADE BY DVDXCOPY" garbage all over the intro screen, equally as obnoxious as FBI warnings.

[hech54]

Nope sorry. I also like the idiot proof and faster Xcopy.

Which also alters the disc contents and puts it's stupid "MADE BY DVDXCOPY" garbage all over the intro screen, equally as obnoxious as FBI warnings.

See there....I was nice and let that one go....

[SaSi]

SaSi, I have to disagree with you.

I have not only removed PUO's, but I've removed FBI warnings, etc. and the DL discs played fine. I did this with DVDRemake.

Interesting.
I thought my second attempt failed because of this. I must have done something else wrong. However, at almost 9euro per media, there is not much room to experiment.

So, if I use DVDDecrypter to make an ISO copy of the original disk (with or without removing the PUOs) and burn this ISO image, will the DVDR-DL be playable? Is that the general impression?

[Denvers Dawgs]

Yes it should play, just as original. Still depends on if your dvd player will read it.

[Shocker Milwaukee]

@SaSi

I modded all three of my dual-layer Star Wars trilogy backups using DVD Shrink (removed PUOPs & FBI warning). I also let Decrypter choose the layer break. All three play flawlessly (even on an APEX that won't play DVD+R bitset).

[mn072065]

Hi newbie. How would you do this "I also let Decrypter choose the layer break". Could you please explain where I would do this. I recorded 3 movies in ISO mode using Ridata printable. All three freeze a bit, but other than that quality was excellent. Thanks for explaining.

[Shocker Milwaukee]

@mn072065

Open Decrypter
Look for the "Tools" menu
Select "Settings" under the tools menu

You will see this screen under the 'ISO Write' Tab:

[BSpielbauer]

IF you are not re-authoring, or trying to burn edited video, or video you created, and all you wish to do is backup an existing dual layer disc to a dual layer blank...


Then, by far, the safest, easiest, and least expensive method (as others have mentioned) is to use DVDDecrypter.

-You MUST make sure your DVDDecrypter is up to date. Many earlier versions did not support dual layer burns.

-Leave all of the settings at the "default." Or, if you need to, re-set them to "default."

-Use the ISO mode, to read an image onto your hard drive. (Go to the "Mode" menu at the top, and choose "ISO" and then "Read R"

-Now, for the burn. You will go back to the "Mode" menu at the top, and choose "MODE" "ISO" and then "WRITE W" Now, navigate to the location of the ripped files, and choose the file that has an "MDS" extension.

You will end up with an identical backup of the original. The layer break will be exactly where it was one the original. All menus and extra stuff will be intact.

IF you stick to quality media, and your standalone DVD player(s) are capable of playing the type of discs you are choosing (DVD+Rs, or DVD-RS, for example), you will be fine. If not, then this is a different issue, and has nothing to do with dual layer burning, of course...

Quality media --> Reports so far indicate that Verbatim is the safe choice on dual layer blank discs.

-I have now completed 23 dual layer burns. All are fine, and play on four of my standalone DVD players.

Hope this helps,

-Bruce

[mn072065]

Thanks Shocker Milwaukee, I checked my settings and they look identical as your picture. Thanks BSpielbauer, I read what you said and I did do that for my first 3 burns. Now the quetion is was my blank dvd+r Ridata the problem or my player. I will go and buy today the verbatims and try them. Thanks again all.

[BSpielbauer]

Now the quetion is was my blank dvd+r Ridata the problem or my player. I will go and buy today the verbatims and try them. Thanks again all.

Before you throw a lot of money after this (those blank dual layer discs are still expensive!), have you checked the following...

If you follow the links on the left hand side of the page, look for the one that says "DVD Players." Now, look up your own standalone player, and see if any other users have reported as to whether they have experienced success on dual layer discs, or not. On some models, no users have chimed in. On others, you may get lucky and find that other users have reported on their own experiences. On two of my own standalones, I knew with confidence that the player could possibly play a DVD+R dual layer, since other users had tried it in front of me.

This may at least help you narrow the issue, and help you to decide whether it is worth it to even proceed with more tests.

Sadly, you cannot go by the manuals, on this one. You simply have to hope that someone out there has tried it before you. Otherwise, YOU become the pioneer who may waste $$ on a few coasters...

I have had luck with Verbatims (100%), and with Ridata (only one coaster), when it comes to dual layers. But, there has been a lot of discussion on other forums (especially the DVDDecrypter Forum) where users found that Ridata dual layers were not friendly with their standalones, even though Verbatims were. And, this discussion indicates that all of the other names out there so far are very much a "hit or miss" proposition, with more "misses" then "hits." Becuase of this, I decided to stick with Verbatim, and have used these for my last 9 dual layer burns.

Best of luck...

-Bruce

[mn072065]

I just finished watching a DL movie that skipped, but now I watched it in my bedroom DVD player JVC. No skips. So at least I know now that the 5 disc changer RCA that came with my surround sound is not great. Thanks again.

[Shocker Milwaukee]

I will go and buy today the verbatims and try them.

Forgot to specify - I used Verbatims.

[Nilfennasion]

Of course, it would help if people would make guides as to how to keep the layer change working in the event they do decide to keep just the film. While I could get the last disc I tried this with to work with bitsetting, after the layer change point, it became progressively jerkier until it was unwatchable. There's just so many variables and considerations with DL backups that one could go through ten attempts without accounting for them all.