MIND BLOWING!

[pc22575]

I have been converting for a while with a lot of success but for the life of me I can't see how the quality of Lord of the Rings is so sharp and precise. Even the motion where blocks are coomon are not even an issue. Can someone with experience give me some insight on how to improve my conversions?
Thanks in advance, knowledgeable ones!.....!!.....!!!

[musicnyman]

it is amazing. they might even have used hardware based mpeg2 encoding instead of software based. if not, i'm sure they turned up everything quality wise they possibly could in tmpgenc or some other encoding program and it probably took days to finish i'm sure if you turn up motion precision search to highest quality and use 2 VBR pass and used a custom quantize matrix to match the movie, you could do it. i'm sure they put a lot of work into it. anything is possible as long as you don't mind waiting a full day for the encoding to finish

[Baldrick]

With a very good source, dvd or better, and with cce VBR multi passes you can get great SVCDs.

[musicnyman]

what gets better results? CCE or tmpgenc or the same? i would imagine CCE right since it's almost $2000 and tmpgenc is free if not $40. can CCE open DVD2AVI .dv files like tmpgenc does?

[Devnull]

What release are you talking about? I have had the tcf 4 disc screener since after it was out in theater for only a month or so :P and yeah the quality looks as good as any DVD I have seen. They should teach centropy a little about mpeg2 encoding

[Mordant]

The four disk release was taken from a preview DVD, and was encoded using TMPGenc 2 pass with 45min or per disk.

There was some info on it at sharereactor.

[manaox2]

My friend has the awesomest lord of the rings copy. no names because it looks dvd quality to me and im pretty sure it was encoded with a hardware encoder because at the bottom it lists a name of a cinema and tells you to call the mpaa at 1-800-no-copy if it was released. lol its so awesome!

[Devnull]

Yeah that's the same one.

[energy80s]

For anyone who is interested ...

The.Lord.Of.The.Rings:Fellowship.Of.The.Ring.DVD.S CREENER.SVCD-TCF

release date.: january 16th 2002
theatre date.: december 23rd 2001
dvd date.....: not anytime soon
imdb rating..: 9.2 (34869 votes)
imdb url.....: http://us.imdb.com/Title?0120737
subtitles....: none
genre........: adventure/fantasy
mpaa rating..: PG-13
runtime......: 178 minutes
source.......: dvd screener
format.......: ntsc vcd (480x480, 29.97fps)
2-pass variable bitrate
video: 2450kbit max, 2190kbit avg
audio: 224 kbits 44khz
disk size....: cd1 - 57x15mb
cd2 - 57x15mb
cd3 - 57x15mb
cd4 - 55x15mb

[homerpez]

The Divx someone encoded (taken from this DVD Screener as source material) also turned out phenomenal... in fact I've never seen DivX perform so well, at any bitrate...

Guess that's neither here nor there...

[coda304]

I would be willing to bet the DVD screener was first ripped then resized and saved as an uncompressed 24bit AVI (probably around 120 gigs worth) then finally encoded with nothing but the best MPEG2 encoder available CinemaCraft 3:2 VBR 4-pass.

For anyone who hasn’t learned of 3:2 pulldown this will give your encoding jobs practically a %20 percent increase in video quality!!! The concept is a vary easy one; encode the clip at 24.97 frames per second rather than 29.97 frames per second, the encoder is doing less work, therefore reducing pixxelation dramatically. Finally 3:2 inserts repeated (dummy) frames to speed the frames too 29.97.

[pacmania_2001]

As enery80's said, that was how it was done. That was taken from the .nfo file that came with the release. Most dvd screeners that I have seen even go further with upto 7 passes of VBR.

[Cobra]

I have also seen a copy of the Lord of the Rings, and I think it is pretty nice quality. Only thing I noticed is that sometimes, black turns red. Nasty. Also, about what Coda304 was saying about the 3:2 pulldown whereby "dummy" frames are inserted - is this why the movie appears to "jerk"? I hate that...

Does anyone know of a way that you can make VCDs without having to convert to DivX? I would ideally like TMPGEnc to be able to "see" the VOB files, to minimise the amount of compression/decompression that happens with VOB --> DivX --> MPEG-1 process.

CobraDMX

[coda304]

CobraDMX


You should defiantly avoid doing any encoding jobs from a heavily compressed source such as DIVX or SVCD. Always encode from the highest quality source possible uncompressed 24-bit AVI being the best, then possibly the Huffy AVI. DVD MPEG2 (VOBS) are a good source as well but not the best because valuable video information has already been tossed out that is needed for high quality final results.

Anyhow here is the best possible way to use VOB’S as a source; this guide is taken from Doom’s site


http://www.doom9.org/mpg/d2a-svcd.htm



I do all my ripps manually so I can tweak resolutions bitrates etc as needed per clip. I can’t really post my full methods for 3:2 pulldown but I can tell you every movie I encode plays smooth as silk on my Pioneer DV-333 standalone. The quality that I get from encoding a 120 Gig 24bit uncompressed 80-minute movie on two CDRS using 3:2 pulldown is incredibly close to the original quality of the DVD.

Also just for the record the professionals are using 3:2 pulldown on relatively every new USA released movie on the market. So if pulldown is implemented properly it can produce beautiful results