vcd creation problems, frame loss?

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i would be a real newbie at this, but i am trying to capture from my Sony Camcorder with a AIW Radeon. I'm trying to make this VCD as high quality as vcd's can get :P i know its not a lot, but i've seen some really good quality vcd's. Anyway the tools im using are Virtualdub to capture, then TMPGenc to encode, and nero burning rom to burn the vcd. But when i look at the people in it or when you see certain spots where the camera is moving, it looks really horrible, it looks like objects are slowly skipping/stuttering. its not noticeable at first glance but if you pay attention to it you will notice it. This is before i encode it, so it must be something i did while capturing.. Im following the guide listed in http://www.vcdhelp.com/mjpeg.htm using Huffyuv and DIVX 5 codec both i have experienced problems..

i have tried to follow the guide as precise as possible. in my opinion i think it may be frame loss or maybe my capture card cant keep up? in the picture http://www.vcdhelp.com/images/mjpeg1.png, under the Video bracket under AVERAGE FPS it says 25 something FPS. for me it doesnt go higher than 19.xx fps. But i have setted it to 25 according to the guide. Maybe this could be the problem? if it is how can i fix it? if its not any advice for things too look for would be appreciated...

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i would be a real newbie at this, but i am trying to capture from my Sony Camcorder with a AIW Radeon. [/b]

90% of your problem. AIW is NOT a dedicated capture card. Its made so that you can WATCH tv on your comp, or export what you see on your comp screen to tV. It can do some Capture, but its not a DEDICATED capture card.

I'm trying to make this VCD as high quality as vcd's can get :P i know its not a lot, but i've seen some really good quality vcd's. Anyway the tools im using are Virtualdub to capture, then TMPGenc to encode, and nero burning rom to burn the vcd. But when i look at the people in it or when you see certain spots where the camera is moving, it looks really horrible, it looks like objects are slowly skipping/stuttering. its not noticeable at first glance but if you pay attention to it you will notice it. This is before i encode it, so it must be something i did while capturing.. Im following the guide listed in http://www.vcdhelp.com/mjpeg.htm using Huffyuv and DIVX 5 codec both i have experienced problems..

Get a real capture card.
http://www.videoguys.com
Dont spend anything under $299 and stay away from AIW's. Get a Cannopus, Dazzle, or Pinnacle card.

You are limited by your capture card. You can't make anything better with a mediocre card. You want good quality, you need to spend the $$ to do so.

i have tried to follow the guide as precise as possible. in my opinion i think it may be frame loss or maybe my capture card cant keep up? in the picture http://www.vcdhelp.com/images/mjpeg1.png, under the Video bracket under AVERAGE FPS it says 25 something FPS. for me it doesnt go higher than 19.xx fps. But i have setted it to 25 according to the guide. Maybe this could be the problem? if it is how can i fix it? if its not any advice for things too look for would be appreciated...

Get a real capture and half your problems will be solved.

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wow, this is really disturbing AIW Radeon are very expensive well atleast the time i bought it was. So its problem is probably me being an idiot, either way. I dont think i want to shell out anymore money, maybe try and find a way to get the most out of my AIW Radeon...

I've been able to set it up this way to get some ok quality, since i have played around with my frames... Im using virtualdub. Average frame rate is set at 20.00, at this rate i usually get 70 frame loss per 60 min. of capture.. which is ok, i can live with that. The compression I am now using is Picvideo, and i have set it at 20 quality. Also capturing at 640x480 resolution (When i encode it with tmpgenc i just let it resize to the normal resolution for NTSC VCD). Then I use TMPGenc w/ simple color restoration filter to encode it using the NTSC Film settings, since its lower in fps than the other NTSC settings. And my *.avi file is only 20 fps... I hope that is right? Anyway so far this is the best quality settings I've tried.. The poor fps and frame loss is still noticable but not as bad, i can live through it. The two main problems i have is the audio recorded by a camcorder is really bad, I'm wondering if there is a filter to filter all the "air" noise or whatever you call it. And also from a camcorder i was wondering if theres a way to reduce all those lines you get from a camcorder. I've seen other stuff recorded with a camcorder thats been pretty good.. And if anyone can help in anyway, correct my terminology is one way! I dont know what these problems are called if i did i would do some google-ing. Help me!