hi m8n thanks for info erlier i done as u told be haveing a bit of a problem i using dvdto avi converter and where i run all its fine to i get to tmpg when i load the file it says something like error file 3pll or something can u tell me and esier way to get dvd ot 80min cd i was using cdripper 2 get dvd to hard drive please help im running windows xp on the computer so to recap i want to get dvds to copy 2 80min cd i am a newbie to this and i really app your help many thanks in advance paul