Just Ignore this.... I'm dumb.

[Faustus]

*PLEASE IGNORE* It turns out I was way to tired to know what I was talking about and had not done proper testing yet.

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Major development. I've been using Derrow's guides as they are quite nice and trying all sorts of media as you can see in this forum from my media guides, but I just had a breakthrough this morning.

In Derrows guides he says to use NERO with UDF/IFO format, using the cheap disk this was causing horrible video stutter that I have been blaming on the media.

Well I took off early from work tonight cause things were slow and I wanted to play with my burner some and guess what? I got the cheap disk to burn!!!!

Nero has been updated since he wrote his guides: DONT USE UDF/IFO!
JUST USE UDF!!

I just burned a movie on the cheap meritline media (pioneer look alikes/pro) and it seems to be working, now its not a huge moive but it does go almost to the end of the disk and SO FAR! No stutter! Personally I'm Stoked! If this media works indeed I'm ordering 50 this weekend... I'll update when I have more time to do extensive testing.

-Flaystus

[kingsley]

This is intresting,I've been using cheap media and most burn with no problem but some suffer from this stuttering or picture breakup.
The last one I did had this problem and the disc was nearly full so I burnt the same image with a Pioneer disc and it plays perfect.
So I think you do get a% of discs that are faulty (cheap media).
The UDF/IFO format thing, well I have asked a few times what the standard is and as yet no one as give me the answer.
Would like to know if you do any more tests and what DVD player you have and if you have tested them on any different players.

[dvbr]

Hi,

I bought a A04 recently and I trying to back-up some DVDs, I'm having the exact same problem: stutter playing with cheap media. I'm using the Derrow guide for Nero DVD burning with UDF/ISO. My player is a Samsung 812 OEM. It plays well on Panasonic RV31, at a glance I thought it was the Samsung , but with this topic I will try changing the format.

Did somebody see that Nero 5580 doesn't put the correct volume name on the DVD disc ? It is aways "NEW".


Regards

[SLK001]

The DVD file system is UDF, with ISO9660 as an option (but ISO9660 is scheduled to be phased out). UDF is very unforgiving about its syntax. That is why you should burn with a program like NERO 5580, because it strictly adheres to the syntax.

Be careful with the cheap media, especially since your file wasn't very large. The problems with these disks don't begin to crop up until you are about 3/4th's of the way through them.

Also, I believe that the VOLUME NAME is only read by a computer (not a player), so it doesn't matter what it is.

[byrdmaniac69]

I have only noticed the stutter on one particular brand of dvd-r. they are called dvdpro on some websites. The culprits have a light purple face, dvd-r 4.7 is printed on the face. I have not had any issues with dvdpro silver face dvds. The problem only occurs when I try to copy over 2.5 gigs anything less and they come out fine.

[Eug]

Does it matter if it's TS_VIDEO or ts_video?

I burned a 5.5.7.2 UDF/ISO disc with ts_video and it plays only on 2 of 4 machines. Or is my problem the UDF/ISO format?

[LanceSteel]

I guess I'm not familar with Darrow's Guides. What types of video are you burning onto the Dvd-r? Are they divx movies? If not... I'm using cheap generic media, authoring mpeg2 dvd compliant streams using a different program and then burning with Nero 5.5.8.0. I use the dvd video option and everything seems to work well on my stand-alone player.

[SLK001]

Does it matter if it's TS_VIDEO or ts_video?

I burned a 5.5.7.2 UDF/ISO disc with ts_video and it plays only on 2 of 4 machines. Or is my problem the UDF/ISO format?

Both of these could cause compatibility issues. Stick to a STRICK UDF file convention, and a lot of the compatibility issues will go away.

[kingsley]

SLK001, so you are saying use DVD Rom UDF instead of DVD Video or DVD Rom UDF/ISO. What if you have made am image?

[Tez12345]

Somebody please help because I am about to go crazy. I am also using Nero 5.5.8.0 but with the new HP DVD200i. I use the guide on this site and it burns fine but will only play in the HP drive. My other dvd rom drive and Apex AD500-W won't even acknowledge the disk exits. I'm using HP DVD+RW media and also Verbatium DVD+RW media. Can someone give some advice because I don't understand.

[Tez12345]

Follow up to my previous question, I'm using the DVD-Video format within Nero. Could that be the reason?

[SLK001]

SLK001, so you are saying use DVD Rom UDF instead of DVD Video or DVD Rom UDF/ISO. What if you have made am image?

I use NERO's DVD-Video template, and DESELECT any JOLIET extention crap (I use UDF/ISO format). I drag my previously ripped files to the VIDEO_TS diretory, then click BURN. NERO will give you a FILE REALLOCATION ERROR if all the files aren't there (I think).

In the VIDEO_TS directory, these files HAVE to be there:

VIDEO_TS.IFO
VIDEO_TS.BUP
VIDEO_TS.VOB
VTS_01_0.BUP
VTS_01_0.IFO
VTS_01_0.VOB
VTS_01_X.VOB <- contains the movie.

A DVD is not a FILE structure, but a DATA structure. For instance, if VIDEO_TS.IFO is not at sector 00000000, then the thing will crash (and your player will catch on fire). Also, all the files MUST be contiguous (ie, not fragmented). There are many more requirements of the data structure. It is best to let a canned program (ie, like NERO) take care of these for you.

[Faustus]

As it turns out I was incorrect, at the point of my last message I had been up for some hours and jumped to the conclusion that the UDF thing had helped, after finding a movie to fill up the disk I have discovered that indeed I am wrong.... which is quite sad because I still have like 20 of those meritline dvdpro disk left... oh well.

Sorry to post incorrect info, but the disk DO still work fine if you choose straight UDF format, but the cheap ones are still cheap.

I'm just having trouble understanding why some can burn with the meritline and cd-recordable.com disk just fine, and I cannot on the same drive with the same software, at least the cd-recordable.com disk play fine on my PC, but jump and stutter from the start on my settop player...

Once again sorry for posting misinformation.