AVI mpeg4v2 ??

[Thorgal]

Hello everybody,

Some customers asking me to convert a video into an "AVI mpeg4v2" format.
But I can't find anywhere how to realize it. After effects or mpegstreamclip don't seem to offer this possibility.

Any Idears how to do it ?


Thanks a lot.


T.

[Selur]

First a side note:
mpeg4v2 is the Microsoft MPEG-4 v2, which was a pre-MPEG-4-Standard video compression which Microsoft used over 10 years ago.
Normally nobody would want to create mpeg4v2 encoded stuff nowadays since it's worse than the official MPEG-4 ASP Standard (DivX, Xvid) and it's even still worth than MPEG-4 v3 (which in a hacked version was named 'DivX3.11'; the mpeg4v3 vfw codec originally was limited to the asf container).
-> nowadays, if possible, I would recommend to not create mpeg4v2 content.

To your request:
Tthat being said, if you really want/need to create a mpeg4v2 video stream inside an avi container, you need to:
a. use a tool which uses vfw codecs
b. you need to grab the old Windows Media Component Setup (wmpcdcs8) which came with the mpeg4v2 encoder (saw a version with instructions over at: http://originaldll.com/file/wmpcdcs8.exe/38975.html <- haven't tried it)


Cu Selur

Ps.: No clue, if AfterEffects ro MpegStreamClip use vfw, but Virtual Dub does.

[Thorgal]

oulala...
Looks like complicate...
i'm gonna look at your link and try to apply it.

<oups sorry>What do you mean when you say : use a tool which uses vfw codecs</oups sorry>

Wich kind of tool ? A name ?

Thanks lot for your answers !

EDIT : Oups sorry I had not reed you poscriptum comment

[Selur]

Wich kind of tool ? A name ?

I already named a tool "Virtual Dub".

What do you mean when you say : use a tool which uses vfw codecs

A tool which uses video for windows codecs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_for_Windows) and unlike other tools does only use DirectShow or libav based encoders.

[Thorgal]

Yep sorry I had not read it ! Thanks again

[Thorgal]

I you had to recommand some other export that would be a modern and equivalent format of this one, which one would it be in an avi container?

[Baldrick]

Virtualdub as selur mentions.

Or are you mac only user? Then it's harder.

Or convince your customer to either use mpeg-4 asp or mpeg4 h264/avc instead.


edit: too slow...selur already replied.

[Thorgal]

no i' am also a windows user !

EDIT :

[Selur]

Mpeg-4 ASP (like DivX or Xvid) would be the formats which would be standardized -> more compatible with tools and still relatively similar to Microsofts MPEG-4v2.

[Thorgal]

Virtual dub is doing that mpeg-4 ASP avi format directly ?
I can't find it...

[Selur]

No, it doesn't. Virtual Dub is a tool which uses vfw based video editing.
-> it only uses the codecs for which you installed vfw codecs. (codec = coder and decoder)
If you want to create MPEG-4 ASP compatible video streams you could install Xvid, DivX or ffdshow (if you use ffdshow, you need to adjust the vfw encoder settings to make sure the vfw Xvid encoder interface is enabled).

[Thorgal]

allright... much more clear for me.
I'am gonna try it !

Many thanks...

[Thorgal]

Hi,

So this morning I tried to install all that stuff.
First I installed wmpcdcs8.exe
Secondly VirtualDub and the ffdshow (where I checked the box "for virtualdub").


But now I try to understand where I can encode my video in mpeg4-v2 with virtualdub.


But on the menu video>compression..., there is nothing more than :
Uncompressed RGB/YCbCR
Codec Intel IYUV
Codec Intel IYUV
Microsoft RLE
Microsoft Vidéo 1


What shoul I do now ?


Thanks

PS : I am a windows 8 user

[Selur]

First I installed wmpcdcs8.exe

Did you follow the instructions regarding windows 7? (hope these also work for Win8)

Secondly VirtualDub and the ffdshow

Why ffdshow if you want to encode to mpeg4v2?

(where I checked the box "for virtualdub")

unless you configure the vfw encoders this will not help

But on the menu video>compression..., there is nothing more than :
Uncompressed RGB/YCbCR
Codec Intel IYUV
Codec Intel IYUV
Microsoft RLE
Microsoft Vidéo 1

Which indicates that something went wrong.
Since mpeg4v2 is only available as a 32bit Version, make sure to only use:
a. 32bit ffdshow
b. 32bit Virtual Dub
Since 64bit tools can not access 32bit DirectShow or 64bit vfw Filters.
(Neither can 32bit tools access 64bit DirectShow or 64bit vfw Filters.)

I am a windows 8 user

my condolences

[Baldrick]

It should be named Microsoft MPEG-4 Video Codec V2.

Are you running virtualdub 64bit? If so then try run the 32bit version.

[Thorgal]

Ok,

So as you said Selur, I probably haven't follow the instruction for win7.

Maybe it's a mistake, and now the webPage is no more visible to follow the instructions...grrr

Well, despite that I tried to run Virtualdub and ffdshow in 32Bits, but nothing more happend.
I used ffdshow because it contains a kind of codecs pack including the mpeg4v2... no ? :/


I'm surprise than virtualdub is just an kind of portable exe. There is no install mode.


PS : Win8 is not that bad except for that problem maybe.

[Selur]

I used ffdshow because it contains a kind of codecs pack including the mpeg4v2... no ? :/

No, ffdshow contains a Xvid vfw codec interface.
It also offers other vfw en- and decoders if the vfw settings are configured accordingly.

[Thorgal]

God, it's complex.

So you are telling me that I don't need ffdshow.

Only this wmpcdcs8.exe (hopefully) and virtualDub !

[Selur]

So you are telling me that I don't need ffdshow.

at least not for mpeg4v2 encoding

---
checked latest ffdshow doesn't come with a Xvid vfw encoder

[Selur]

Just checked, seems like the wmpcdcs8 doesn't work with Windows 8

[Thorgal]

Ok, well that doesn't work.

I did like they said with the wmpcdcs8, but nothing happend.

Because you are much more technician that I am, something on that page could maybe help me.. what do you think about ? :


http://www.tekweb.dk/dfdv/codec.php

[Selur]

it has a lot of hacked codecs, before installing anything, i would recommend to:
a. create a recovery point
b. make sure virus scanner & co are up-to-date
tested the "Nimo50Build8.exe" disabled everything other than the Microsoft MPEG-4 codecs and it seems to work.

[Thorgal]

I can't find anywhere that Nimo50Build8.exe and all I can see about it is that it looks like a virus.

I feel desasparate.


You were talking about the Mpeg-4 ASP encapsul avi.
How could I realise this one ? Mpeg streamclip ?


And what is the interest of the mpeg4 v2 to explain to my customer why the mpeg-4 ASP is equivalent and better ?!


Sorry for that crazy discussion. I do my best to find a solution as you do.


T.

[Selur]

[qutoe]I can't find anywhere that Nimo50Build8.exe[/quote]
-> http://www.tekweb.dk/dfdv/files/Nimo50Build8.exe it's the second download link on the page you linked to,..

You were talking about the Mpeg-4 ASP encapsul avi.

No, the Microsoft MPEG-4 codecs are not MPEG-4 ASP compatible, the container:
MPEG-4v1,MPEG-4v2,MPEG-4v3

How could I realise this one ? Mpeg streamclip ?

That needs to be answered by someone else, personally I have ne usage for "Mpeg streamclip", so I don't use it.

And what is the interest of the mpeg4 vé to explain to my customer why the mpeg-4 ASP is equivalent and better ?!

mpeg4v2 is the Microsoft MPEG-4 v2, which was a pre-MPEG-4-Standard video compression which Microsoft used over 10 years ago, MPEg-4 ASP is the MPEG-4 video format which was finalized. So mpeg-4v2 could be called an old predecessor of MPEG-4 ASP.

[Thorgal]

Sorry about the Nimo.exe...

And how do you encode this MPEg-4 ASP ? Wich software ?

Many thanks for your explanations.

[Selur]

You can use 'Virtual Dub', if you install Xvid (which is a MPEG-4 ASP encoder).
Alternatively there is DivX, 3ivX and a bunch of other MPEG-4 ASP compatible codecs.
(For Xvid encoding you can also use ffmpeg or mencoder if they are compiled with Xvid support.)
Even Quicktime and therefore 'MPEG Streamclip' has an MPEG-4 ASP encoder (which is really limited and I would never recommend it) which is called 'Apple MPEG4 Compressor'.

[Thorgal]

OK thanks... I'm looking at this.

I can see a light in the tunnel

[Cornucopia]

You can use 'Virtual Dub', if you install Xvid (which is a MPEG-4 ASP encoder).
Alternatively there is DivX, 3ivX and a bunch of other MPEG-4 ASP compatible codecs.
(For Xvid encoding you can also use ffmpeg or mencoder if they are compiled with Xvid support.)
Even Quicktime and therefore 'MPEG Streamclip' has an MPEG-4 ASP encoder (which is really limited and I would never recommend it) which is called 'Apple MPEG4 Compressor'.

No, Quicktime natively has neither an MPEG-4-ASP Encoder nor Decoder. It must rely on 3rd party 3ivX, DivX or Xvid component plugins. Quicktime's is MPEG4 SP only. Man, they are so behind the times on this one!

Scott

[Selur]

Oh, you are right SP only,... (argh,..)

[Thorgal]

Dear everybody, many thanks.I know much more than before.

I finally found a solution with their old dirty desire format MP4V2 by using the Nimo50Build8.exe shown here :http://www.tekweb.dk/dfdv/codec.php

I learn a lot this last messages but it still a bit blur in my mind. There is a lot of strange things to digest.

Thanks again for your patience and all this information !

PIOU !