Add DVD PAL subs to a NTSC Blu Ray

[Patapin]

Wow... A lot of work !

I had Veer Zaara, 3 discs version, with perfect subtitles, all in PAL format.
Then I bought at amazon's (US) the Blu Ray disc to have a better image quality, but subs are only in english. Oh, sorry, yes, I am french

Looking at the timings, they don't fit !!!

How can I add my french subs to the BR, and most of all, how can I adjust their timings ?

I recently bought a Blu-Ray writer, so I can remux or reauthor BD easily.

But... I am completely lost, I need your help.

Thanks by advance

The Bollywood french fan

[netmask56]

Have a look here http://www.subtitleseeker.com/0420332/Veer-Zaara/Subtitles/French/

[Patapin]

Incredible !

The perfect answer in less than 10 minutes...

Thank you, netmask56


Edit

Well, it's a very good beginning...

So, would I dare ask how to proceed with my other BD :

- Mohabbatein
- Rab ne bana di jodi
- Fanaa
- Dhoom 2
- Chak de! India

I find only English BRsubs.

How can I fit my french DVD subs to those BD ?

It was easy with DVDs, using Subtitle Workshop, but this soft cannot open Blu Ray files.

Have you a clue ?

[Patapin]

(edited)

[netmask56]

Well if they exist just do a simple Google search with the terms "French subtitles <insert name of movie and maybe the year>"

[Patapin]

Of course, this is logical. Your suggestion comes from the good sens, and is worth the try. I've already done it, but I'll make another try (I am sure that one day I'll find them). But for the moment, I would like to know if there is a method to retime the subs :
- rip the srt from my DVDs (already done)
- rip the subs from the BDs (I don't know how to proceed)
- compare and adjust...

I thought it would be easy, but I am a complete newbee regarding Blu Rays, that's for sure !
Don't worry, I learn easily, even in english language.

PS : Google didn't find french BRrip subs... for the moment !

[jagabo]

If only difference is the overall length of the movie (ie, the 23.976 fps to 25 fps PAL speedup) you can use Subtitle Workshop's timing tool to adjusting the timing. Sometimes there's an extra logo clip at the start of one so you have to shift all the subs earlier or later. That's easy with SW too. If you have different cuts of the movie (shots are sometimes added or removed in different regions) it's harder. You have to locate the extra/missing scenes and adjust all the subs after that. Then repeat for each difference.

[jman98]

I have used Subtitle Workshop to try to adjust subtitle timings and I can only say that I found it to be a lot more difficult than jagabo's experience has been. We'll see what the original poster thinks.

Also, I am a bit concerned that he may be wanting to re-author BluRay with the new subs. That's not really possible. What he'll have to do is rip the BD into something like an MKV file and add the adjusted subtitles there. Anything else will require a brand new BluRay to be authored without the original menus.

[Patapin]

If only difference is the overall length of the movie (ie, the 23.976 fps to 25 fps PAL speedup) you can use Subtitle Workshop's timing tool to adjusting the timing.Sometimes there's an extra logo clip at the start of one so you have to shift all the subs earlier or later. That's easy with SW too.

Yes, I begin to be used to this, I find it very practical.

If you have different cuts of the movie (shots are sometimes added or removed in different regions) it's harder. You have to locate the extra/missing scenes and adjust all the subs after that. Then repeat for each difference.

So, it could be the problem, I had never thought of that. Thanks for the tip.


I have used Subtitle Workshop to try to adjust subtitle timings and I can only say that I found it to be a lot more difficult than jagabo's experience has been. We'll see what the original poster thinks.[QUOTE=jman98;2312761] You could be right !
With my DVDs files, I easily converted them into Xvid files, to be opened with Subtitle Workshop. But how can I convert Blu-Ray files ? And will it take a big amount of time ? I guess handling many gigabytes will increase time too. Well, it's the PC which works !

Also, I am a bit concerned that he may be wanting to re-author BluRay with the new subs. That's not really possible. What he'll have to do is rip the BD into something like an MKV file and add the adjusted subtitles there. Anything else will require a brand new BluRay to be authored without the original menus.

Right again ! My aim is to create a Blu-Ray (I have bought rewritable ones), with the french subs, but I don't care about the menu. What is the most important is the quality. I have 25 Gigas BD-RE Blu-Ray Discs.

But I must be sure, before re-authoring, that all timings are perfect. It would be useless to make the computer works during hours for a bad result, I believe that you will agree.

So, either :
- convert BR files into an Xvid, to adjust the timings with Subtitle workshop ; then reauthor the original BR files with the new subs
either :
- convert BR files into mkv files (easily read with aegisub for instance, which can also adjust the timings), convert my srt french files into ass or ssa (easy), remux with mkvmerge (easy) and hope I can watch mkv files on my TV somehow (process to find).

[johns0]

Use BDSup2Sub to change the pgs subs framerate.

[Patapin]

Thanks, I don't use java yet. I'll download it, too.

[videobruger]

BDSup2Sub++ don't require Java.

[Patapin]

Well, I didn't pay attention at the ++, thanks videobruger.
I'll make tries this week-end, and shall come back to post my results.

[Patapin]

By luck , my srt file for "Chak de! India" seems to fit the Blu Ray. It was the only BD I bought in UK (at Amazon.co.uk), so maybe it was in PAL. I can't find the information with mediainfo.

So, I've got a ripped Blu-Ray, and a srt file. How do I mux them to create a new BD ? I don't want mkv, the subtitles read by my LG Blu-Ray Player are either too small, either too big, without antialias nor outline. I would like to rebuild a Blu-Ray, and burn it on a 25 Gigas rewritable BD.
Do you know what program can do this, please ?

[jman98]

I think tsmuxer may be able to accept SRT subtitles, but I'm not sure. It can produce BluRay output.

Please be aware that re-writable discs are not meant for long term storage. If this new disc is something you want to keep forever, you shouldn't use re-writable discs. If you just want to make something to play now and then re-use the disc later, that is OK.

[videobruger]

tsMuxer accepts SRT - converts to PGS. However you would have more control over the subtitles converting with Subtitle Edit. Further your source need to fit a 25 GB BD.
Else there is multiAVCHD.
Cant your player support ASS in a MKV container?.

[jman98]

If the source BD is too large for single layer BD, you could use tsmuxer to make a new BluRay (note that tsmuxer cannot make menus), shrink that with BDRebuilder, and then burn that to a single layer BD disc.

[Patapin]

First I thank both of you, for giving me so much time and informations. I really appreciate , furthermore I'm a BD newbee.
I luckily found a french tutorial for tsmuxer. It's not that I don't understand english, but by dint of reading and translating (especially technical words), I lose concentration...

Please be aware that re-writable discs are not meant for long term storage. If this new disc is something you want to keep forever, you shouldn't use re-writable discs. If you just want to make something to play now and then re-use the disc later, that is OK.

I didn't know that at all. Very good information. Well, as I am a perfectionnist, I always find something to modify, therefore I use rewritable discs until I am satisfied. And when this day comes, I'll burn a normal BD.

tsMuxer accepts SRT - converts to PGS. However you would have more control over the subtitles converting with Subtitle Edit. Further your source need to fit a 25 GB BD....
If the source BD is too large for single layer BD, you could use tsmuxer to make a new BluRay (note that tsmuxer cannot make menus), shrink that with BDRebuilder, and then burn that to a single layer BD disc.

I have ripped the BD with DVDFab, and asked for a 23 Giga result, so thanks, it will be OK.
And i'll try Subtitle Edit to create, if I understand well, PGS. I'll haver a look at this format.

Else there is multiAVCHD.

I think I have already downloaded it, in case... I'll have a look, too, thanks.

Cant your player support ASS in a MKV container?.

Yes, it can. Alas, the subs display is just horrible : either tiny fonts (after remuxing), either enormous ones (external ass or ssa subs), and without outline ! Impossible to read properly.
It's a pity, because the mkv seems to be so easy to handle. it reminds me m2v and ac3 for the DVDs. And no need to convert subs text into images, that's a step less.

Have a nice evening.

[Patapin]

Well, I am trying tsmuxer, which seems very easy.

But I don't know what file I must open...



Can you tell me please if I must open all files ?

[johns0]

Open the PLAYLIST folder and load the mpls file,if there are a few then look for the one that includes all the files and give you the proper length in the video time.

[Patapin]

Many thanks, johns0

I think I have found the proper file. Now, here is what I believe I must do:




1. Add my srt file
2. Select Blu-Ray (but which one ? I would like to burn a BD)
3. Select a folder on my PC
4. Start

Am I close ? I am always afraid to choose a bad option, I don't know why...
Well, I'll try with ISO this time.


Edited:

Muxing was so quick that I remade one, with option "Folder", and it was fast, too. Unbelievable !

Now, alas, I can't check whether my french subtitles are or not at the correct places.
Media Player Classic Home Cinema displays no sound; VLC displays no sub, even if I choose a track; BSPlayer shows no possibility to choose a sub track; and Nero Show Times displays no images!
The only thing that reassures me is MediaInfo, which tells me there is an extra sub track.

It seems that I am stuck. Just for a while.

Could you please tell me what to do now, to burn a BD ?

[Patapin]

All right, I mustered all my courage, and dit it!

With Imgburn, it took about 3 hours to burn the BD, it was very long, but successful.
And luckily, srt was well timed.

Now, if you allow me to ask, I got 3 questions:

1. How to check before burning, that the srt will fit? (With DVDs, it's easy: I create a Xvid file, and open it with Subtitle Workshop or Aegisub, along with the subs files. I guess I'll have to do something like that, maybe convert the Blu-Ray files into mkv or so)

2. Seen on my TV through the Blu-Ray player (LG), the subs overlap the bottom black strip, it's not very convenient. I must modify the height of the subs. I have seen that Subtitle Edit could do it, but again, how to check the appropriateness of the new height? And does a standard exist? Subtitle Edit proposes by default 20 for bottom margin, and Verdana 30 for font. What do you think of it?

3. How could I burn faster? Instead of iso, should I choose Folder files? Or mkv files?

Thanks for reading this long posts.

Patapin

[Patapin]

So, two of the three problems are now solved:

2. we can modify the display of the subs.
- either with Subtitle Edit --> Export Blu-Ray sup. I chose 50 for font size, and 20 for bottom margin, so the subs will be displayed in the black bottom strip. This way, the beautiful images of the movie aren't eaten.
- either with tsmuxer --> tab "Subtitles". I chose identically the same values.

3. Nero express is able to burn an iso image. Chak de! India (2h28mn) was burnt in one hour, I think it's very good.

The last thing I can't find is how to create quickly a compressed Xvid or mkv file, to check under Aegisub or Subtitle Workshop the timings of the subs.
Could you please give me an advice ?

[Patapin]

Well, that's it now: I used Freemake Video Converter. In one hour, it converted a Blu-Ray (2h20) into a Xvid file. Complete!

As I discovered tsmuxer and Subtitle Edit, I find the subs very clean. Do you think it is possible to use either tsmuxer, either Subtitle Edit to create sup files that could be addeed to a DVD?