Canadians unite

[victoriabears]

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/100603/business/copyright_act

http://www.canada.com/technology/environment/Copyright+bill+makes+easier+target+illega...769/story.html

Not knowing what will end up in the final legislation, but I read that even getting a dvd player and making it region free (Digital Lock) will be illegal, thats nuts, as Canada has many new immigrants that come from Europe and want to play stuff not for sale in Canada.

[jagabo]

Some here too: http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1652537/canadian-copyright

[yoda313]

but I read that even getting a dvd player and making it region free (Digital Lock) will be illegal, thats nuts,

That is nuts.

However how in the world can they enforce it? Do they mean actually buying and selling? I can't imagine using a remote hack would constitute an illegal act? How would they know?

Now does that mean that imports of hacked players will be banned?

[victoriabears]

Same way they could enforce copying a dvd and giving it to a friend, if they had any brains at all they would do away with media and make it all available on line, then you couldn;t get it without paying for it, until someone did then put it on a P2P of course.

The industry has shot itself in the foot by giving us the tools to supposedly deprive them of income, if the only way to get music or video was through a PVR no one could copy/distribute it. The ISP;s could easily block access to sites where you download copying software like dvd fab.

Why did anyone ever think the consumer needed dvd burners, so we could all copy our home movies and concerts of our kids and friends-what bullshit.

The entertainment industry hasn;t had a clue since audio cassettes were invented in the early 70's, then they ran around like chickens with their heads cut off screaming "we will go broke"

They are a bunch of Luddites focusing on all the wrong things.

[jagabo]

Why did anyone ever think the consumer needed dvd burners, so we could all copy our home movies and concerts of our kids and friends-what bullshit.

The manufacturers used to cater to their customers. They produced what they thought their customers wanted. Now they are being forced to cater to Hollywood, more and more.

[gll99]

Canada has been under constant pressure from the American lobby for many years. For Canadians with a minority government the solution is pretty obvious but due to VH rules the discussion will have to take place elsewhere.

Nothing in this bill will stop the illegal distribution of music and videos. In fact it will cost the artists money since they will have to remove the special copying levy on CDs which is now going directly to the artists themselves bypassing the big corporations. When they put digital locks on all the CDs (practically non existent in Canada now) just watch the backlash when the average Joes realise they can't convert their music to use on their MP3 players anymore. They will be returning the discs as defective and sales will plummet even more.

Personally it won't affect me much (except maybe the internet see comment later) but I don't like the big brother bullies. I have bought more movies than I can ever watch especially with the full cable package I also subscribe to. If this goes through I'll just stop buying movies unless they're the $5 Walmart variety. My taste in music is very oldie and I already own all the CDs I need. The dozen or two music discs I buy each year are as extra birthday, Christmas etc..gifts mostly for the teens in the extended family so it will be easy to choose something else instead. We also buy a lot of animated / children movies (many duplicates for various homes) for family and friends as gifts throughout the year but as a form of protest we'll buy something else. It's our money we can spend it how we want!

The internet account holder will be responsible for all activity on their account. The kids will have to be watched with high speed internet because it could lead to many thousands of dollars in fines and court costs if they D/L something from your home. My isp may not like it but since I can't afford to lose the house I will probably drop high speed internet and go back to the less risky dial up just for basic surfing.

It will have a much greater impact on the average Canadian than most people realize. This will even affect the hardware and software that can be legally imported (read downloaded / bought online also for software) into Canada. Eventually PVRs will be limited in what they can record (The technology is already in place). Pre-recorded videos will be automatically deleted after a certain time has passed even if you haven't watched it yet. This is all be legally allowed by this bill. They claim (and many newpaper articles report this as fact without checking) that they are making certain things "legal" but they were never "illegal" in the first place since there had never been any successful court challenges (no one is reporting that fact). When you examine the clauses closely this bill is not designed to benefit Canadian artists or consumers it's a total cave in by our current government to the American lobbyists

[ron spencer]

come on...there is no enforcement. they said on canadian news that this is for the idiots downloading and sharing via bit torrent....who in their right mind uses that anyway? Only affects those fools. ISPs will not block websites...new laws are only aimed at those uploading and sharing.

[QUOTE"This gives us the tools to go after the large-scale pirates who are really profiting][/QUOTE]

get a grip...they are not going after mom and pop....but I do agree, do not let your kids install bittorrent. keep them as non admins and do not let them install anything....having your teens as admins will result in trouble.

[Noahtuck]

Altering a DVD bought in one of five other regions, such as Europe, in order to enable it to be played on a North American DVD player would also constitute a copyright infringement — a practice that is currently legal.

They can kiss my @$$!!!
I have tons of dvd's that are from over seas that are years and years old and never have been, and i am sure, never will be released on dvd in the U.S.!!

It would be like them trying to enforce the millions of people "archiving" tv shows on their VHS players back in the day!!
Let's go door to door and check every ones dvd players and backups, if there are any, and make sure they are all within the set guidelines/laws of that country's region code!!
LOL!!

"This gives us the tools to go after the large-scale pirates who are really profiting

Huh.....
"Pirates" that are profiting from "pirated" movies are not doing it on bittorrent, LMAO!!

But i agree, some of this crap they come up with to pass as law's needs to be stopped!!
As one freedom is taken, only more will follow, 1 by 1.......

[ron spencer]

sigh....this is directed at the 10gig a day uploader. So if this is not you do not worry about it; nothing has changed. The only thing that is changed is that ISPs will need to give over the users who do this ONLY WHEN A COMPLAINT HAS BEEN ISSUED AND A JUDGE ORDERS THEM TO (i.e. probable cause for being a pirate). You need to read the rules. As far as the everyday user is concerned, it is business as usual.

[nic2k4]

come on...there is no enforcement. they said on canadian news that this is for the idiots downloading and sharing via bit torrent....who in their right mind uses that anyway? Only affects those fools. ISPs will not block websites...new laws are only aimed at those uploading and sharing.

get a grip...they are not going after mom and pop....but I do agree, do not let your kids install bittorrent. keep them as non admins and do not let them install anything....having your teens as admins will result in trouble.

Are you so naive as to believe the words of a politician? Ever heard of abuse, like music companies sueing little old ladies with no computers and dead people? It's taken over 6 years of RIAA lawsuits for some judges to wake up to the abuse. In the mean time countless people just settled for the $4000 fee rather than face in court a foe with endless ressources. After 10+ years of DMCA here's where the Americans are at:

http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=10/06/04/1326241

Not so long ago > 5000 people got sued for downloading a single movie off bittorrent, the Hurt Locker. People stay away from bittorrent even if you're only downloading the latest Ubuntu:

http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=10/04/28/1948257

Here's a guy who sees clearly through the fog of B.S.:

http://lefsetz.com/wordpress/index.php/archives/2010/06/03/the-long-haul/

An artist doing things the way he describes would make more money by not giving it away in promotion fees to the labels. As for the levy fund, last I heard there was still hundreds of millions in there, that weren't distributed to the artists. Somebody is probably collecting interest on it. Here's one last bit of haha for you:

http://www.thestar.com/business/article/735096--geist-record-industry-faces-liability-...r-infringement

Who' u callin' a thief?

[Noahtuck]

sigh....this is directed at the 10gig a day uploader.

The "pirate" uploading 10gbs a day is PAYING more $$, not making $$.

The infringer has effectively already admitted owing at least $50 million and the full claim could exceed $6 billion. If the dollars don't shock, the target of the lawsuit undoubtedly will: The defendants in the case are Warner Music Canada, Sony BMG Music Canada, EMI Music Canada, and Universal Music Canada, the four primary members of the Canadian Recording Industry Association.

LMAO!!

Imagine that.....

[ron spencer]

Are you so naive as to believe the words of a politician? Ever heard of abuse, like music companies sueing little old ladies with no computers and dead people? It's taken over 6 years of RIAA lawsuits for some judges to wake up to the abuse. In the mean time countless people just settled for the $4000 fee rather than face in court a foe with endless ressources. After 10+ years of DMCA here's where the Americans are at:

This was AMERICAN law..if you read the Canadian law it is different. Nobody can go after anyone without a judge okaying it. read it....

Canadian law is focused on the bit torrent user who is so stupid to share...In Canada it is about stopping the massive sharer...in the U.S. it is about f*cking everyone over.

This will end bit torrent for people with any level of intelligence...due to fear, which is how this new law has been marketed to media. That is how the politicians up North think...scare and watch people run. For the smart user will be business as usual.

[victoriabears]

Could I ask anyone who knows to patiently educate me.

I can understand open torrent sites like pirate bay/demonoid creating alerts, but I belong to a couple of member only/ratio enforced sites, so my question is,,,how does a media company find out what my ip address is in the first place to ask my isp to write to me.

Is there anyway of hiding your ip address, and if there is, the membership only sites I use track my isp to ensure I am not sharing my membership to all and sundry.

Most of what I download / upload is not available for sale anyways so would a media company care?

Many thanks

[Noahtuck]

I would not think so but i guess it depends on what it is.

I belong to a few sites that trade/torrent bootleg concerts that are membership only and enforce ratios.

Most bands don't seem to mind and quite a few encourage it, except the Black Crowes and a couple others, the sites also are very strict on the bands that do not want their concerts traded.
Heck Pearl Jam and a few other bands even encourage people to video and audio tape their shows for trading.

[lowellriggsiam]

Could I ask anyone who knows to patiently educate me.

I can understand open torrent sites like pirate bay/demonoid creating alerts, but I belong to a couple of member only/ratio enforced sites, so my question is,,,how does a media company find out what my ip address is in the first place to ask my isp to write to me.

Is there anyway of hiding your ip address, and if there is, the membership only sites I use track my isp to ensure I am not sharing my membership to all and sundry.

Most of what I download / upload is not available for sale anyways so would a media company care?

Many thanks

I stopped doing any of that years ago. But there were programs like peerguardian that would filter known ip adresses. As far as how they get your ip adresses back when I could see the ip adresses of everyone that was connecting to me. Regarding things that might not be comercially available, morally they might feel the need to go after you, or countries that have strict regulations like Japan and the US that agressviely protect copyright laws.

[jagabo]

I can understand open torrent sites like pirate bay/demonoid creating alerts, but I belong to a couple of member only/ratio enforced sites, so my question is,,,how does a media company find out what my ip address is in the first place to ask my isp to write to me.

I think they would have to infiltrate the private net. In theory, they could spy at a router anywhere on the internet and watch packets fly by. Then pick out packets that match known parts of copyrighted files and note the source and destination IP addresses. The NSA does this (not to catch bittorrent users) but private companies would probably run into legal problems.

Is there anyway of hiding your ip address

Yes, you can use an anonymizer. All requests pass through the anonymizer which doesn't keep long term records of IP addresses. Basically, your computer says to the anonmyser (usually though an encrypted connection) "Please request this file/fragment from IP address X." The anonymizer makes the request to IP address X, then sends you the result. IP address X only sees the request from the anonymizer. High bandwidth anonymizer services aren't free. Pirate Bay sells such a service. There are also nets where all requests pass through multiple computers, none of which keep records of transactions. So any IP trace takes you to a computer that didn't host the file, it just passed data long from another computer. Tor is one example.

Most of what I download / upload is not available for sale anyways so would a media company care?

They might. There have been many cases of web sites being shut down because they hosted ROM images of old video games. Even though those games and consoles aren't available anymore.

[aedipuss]

all that needs to happen is for the copyright holder to get into the stream. they could host an anonymizer, they can join all the private p2p sites, and they are not just going after uploaders anymore. currently they are after anyone who has downloaded a single movie. that's all it takes to get a warrant from a court and you're screwed. pay the 1500 settlement or pay more to a lawyer to defend you in court. that's the business model. they WANT the $1500 it costs them next to nothing to get it.

[gll99]

adWhat's dangerous about the bill is that there is lots of money to be made with entrapment.

Suppose they hire a company to do the "harvesting" of offending IPs and pay them a % of all the money they get. They already do that now don't they? What's to stop this company from seeding files all over the internet and then just trapping the ip address of anyone who even plays the file from what looks like a valid shared http link. Playing video or music involves downloading just as much as p2p sharing does. There are many sites right now that share videos for playback either freely or for a fee. Many have their own players and some involve sharing bandwidth by caching the played bytes on the user's pc to save server resources. How is the average person supposed to know if the owner of the video has authorized the distribution. We are pretty much at the mercy of the service provider yet an unscrupulous company could farm all sorts of IPs in the process and extort up to $5000 (you can bet it won't be the minimum $100) from thousands upon thousands of people who don't have the money to fight them in court. That's another reason why I don't like this bill.

As far as court orders you can bet that judges will be instructed not to spend time with these. They will be quickly granted with a rubber stamp to save court time on the basis that they can deal with less cases if people decide to fight instead of paying the extortion fine. Eventually the bypassing of due process will be ruled unconstitutional but it will take years to clear the matter up and many will have paid the financial and emotional penalties by then.. Those who sold out Canada to the American lobby will pat themselves on the back pretending they did a good job (Canadians won't) but this will be their legacy.

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/100603/business/copyright_act

http://www.canada.com/technology/environment/Copyright+bill+makes+easier+target+illega...769/story.html

Not knowing what will end up in the final legislation, but I read that even getting a dvd player and making it region free (Digital Lock) will be illegal, thats nuts, as Canada has many new immigrants that come from Europe and want to play stuff not for sale in Canada.

Unfortunately digital locks include all encryption so you won't be able to legally back up the flimsy easy to scratch DVD you bought and paid for nor will you be allowed to convert it for your own use on your divx player or hand held device.



btw) I never had any issue with fines for those who knowingly distribute copyrighted material but common sense dictates that a warning should precede any action to allow the person to remove the offending material. The viewing ( or downloading = same thing. With the way computers operate I don't see the distinction) should not be reason enough for a fine of up to $5000. That makes no sense whatsoever when the viewer has no way to know if the author intended for his work to be seen. The onus should be on the author and the distributing site.

[victoriabears]

How does using a seedbox fit in with ip being tracked?

[victoriabears]

As my main sites contain only UK material, the advice I am getting is that reporting my ip is unlikely, evidently it is content such as movies/music and games/software that is the focus of the hit teams

[aedipuss]

a seedbox is just a distraction. once the ip of the seedbox is on the wanted list, the warrant is sent to the service provider and they are legally required to give up the owner. any copyright material is fair game, it just depends on what the copyright owner wants to do to pursue infringement.

[dvdsham]

It's a sad year for Canadians. I back up every DVD movie that I legally purchase from retail stores. Under this new legislation of the Copy right act, we are allowed to back up to a different format of media, like a dvd to a VCR...what's a VCR???...lol (just kidding), the words of the NDP "How many 10 year-olds walk around with a VHS recorder in their back packs!!!...lol, so, were allowed to back up to an I pod or portable player but only if it is not protected with a "digital lock" as the government put it as. If the Government expect Canadians like me to follow this B.S law then they better think twice. I won't buy movies anymore...period! I'll just watch You Tube and U Stream for entertainment.

If I buy movies ya damn well know it will be protected with CSS or Ripguard and every other crap that is not even a lock! We have a bunch of stupid politicians that don't know software. There is no digital lock, it doesn't exist. It's a stupid code of numbers and letters that tell copying software to display a message saying the content is protected and then the copying features are disabled. There is some copying software that just does not know how to respond to the these stupid numbers and letters and it will copy the DVD's regardless... many of you know this to be as 1:1 copying software...in other words, whatever data is on the original DVD will copy over an exact image onto the blank dvd media where all protections will remain.

Screw this law. It better be treated next to j-walking.

[nic2k4]

Could I ask anyone who knows to patiently educate me.

IP's are logged by the torrent tracker (that's the server pointed to in the .torrent file), this is how the tracker knows how many seeders and leechers there are. The tracker also keeps a list of past seeders. Bittorrent protocol has commands to request that list from the tracker. So the tracker is the key to identifying IP's, if they can't see that torrent file they can't get the seeder list. Member only sites should provide privacy until they get infiltrated as Jagabo described.

Check the documents here:

http://www-sop.inria.fr/members/Arnaud.Legout/Projects/bluebear.html

Looks like even using TOR with Bittorrent does nothing for privacy. As it turns out TOR can be useless when not correctly configured as demonstrated here:

http://www.wired.com/politics/security/news/2007/09/embassy_hacks?currentPage=1

I especially like this quote:
"But Tor has a known weakness: The last node through which traffic passes in the network has to decrypt the communication before delivering it to its final destination. Someone operating that node can see the communication passing through this server."

[dvdsham]

When it comes to downloading...HACK SOME WIFI and download the hell out of it....lol.

[Rudyard]

When it comes to downloading...HACK SOME WIFI and download the hell out of it....lol.

But then you are equal of another crime arent you? It is also illegal to use someone elses network even if unsecured (at least that is what ive been told in Australian law).

[jimdagys]

When you lock this thread, could you please indicate "Thread locked" (with picture of lock), instead of "Thread Closed". It was this way on the old php.

[victoriabears]

what lock ?

[Bonie81]

Canada and Copyrights???
It seems like a nice joke,

coz Canada has to implement Copyrights Law from the Grass Root Level where anybody can get a any damn movie on DVD-R for a buck($) or a two ($$) in any city of Canada. This is only what POOR Canadians can afford or LOVE at most of the times.

If anyone wish to buy Originals, one has to be very careful to scan binary info of originals too, coz most of the time DVD packed in Original looks-like packing is DVD-5 by pops and moms @ all major distributing channels. Pay original price to make moms and pops wealthier.

Canada and Copyrights???
Made me Laugh Out Of Loud.