Norwegian Police Deal Massive Blow to MPAA Lawyer

[NICEBUD]

http://torrentfreak.com/norwegian-police-deal-massive-blow-to-mpaa-lawyer-080220/



Some common sence atlast.Lets hope they have the same common sence here in UK

[Xylob the Destroyer]

3 or 4 years ago this would have been news to me....
I can't remember the last time I used any type of file sharing.

[jagabo]

How could this be?!?! According to NBC/Universal general counsel Rick Cotton, IP crime is a much bigger problem than theft, fraud, burglary, bank-robbing, etc.

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070615-copyright-coalition-piracy-more-serious-...bbery.html?bub

NBC/Universal general counsel Rick Cotton suggests that society wastes entirely too much money policing crimes like burglary, fraud, and bank-robbing when it should be doing something about piracy instead.

"Our law enforcement resources are seriously misaligned," Cotton said. "If you add up all the various kinds of property crimes in this country, everything from theft, to fraud, to burglary, bank-robbing, all of it, it costs the country $16 billion a year. But intellectual property crime runs to hundreds of billions [of dollars] a year."

LOL.

[DereX888]

Well, this is seriously wrong in every way.
Thats how chaos slowly sips into society - by small steps, step by step, until its too late.
First we allow "petty theft" (because obviously it is an act of social and semi-legal acceptance), then it escalates in few years more and more and where will it end?

If you ask your grandpa, he'd tell you that in "his times" bicycle thieves were beaten up by police and always went to jail.
Today no policeman want even be bothered with any report of stolen bicycle (and if you catch the thief they won't it even come to arrest him).
I guess by the time I will be grandpa, my grandson will be surprised to hear that in "my times" police used to chase car thieves... this 'ghetto morality' spreads quickly, unfortunately.

Make no mistake, I am anti-RIAA, anti-MPAA and so on, but theft is a theft. What kind of bullshit is the term "petty theft"? It must have came from scumbag lawyers mumbo-jumbo...

Anyways, it's kinda fun to watch civilization go away and slowly turn back into some third world chaos, isn't it?

[Conquest10]

Having had experience with a police force with a focus like the Bush administration in the War on Terror (no politics that was a joke), I say "RIGHT ON!" to the Norwegians here. I hate lawyers with their "its theft" argument. No its not. "You might as well walk into a record store and take the disc." B&^*#(#t! This is more akin to buying a disc and letting your friend borrow it. Sure it done on a more MASSIVE level but the comparison fits that more than the shoplifting one. Technically its copyright infringement. I agree there and I agree that its wrong. BUT... it should not be a criminal offense. I feel these cases should be civil not criminal. There are bigger problems the police should focus on more than how many songs a 13 year old downloaded.

Here in Chicago, there are an average of about 2 murders every single day. So you can imagine how many attempted murders there are every day. Many, many of them stay unsolved. So you think they should be working on that, huh? You'd be wrong. What do you think the police's focus is on? People who speed coming off the expressways and people who visit prostitutes. You wouldn't believe the amount of speed traps and cameras there are in this city. There are also two major undercover prostitution stings like every week. Because as we all know, speeding and visiting prostitutes all lead to murder. So if they stop those two crimes everything will be fine with the world.

I'm glad to see a police force on this planet with a good grip on priorities.

[AlanHK]

but theft is a theft. What kind of bullshit is the term "petty theft"? It must have came from scumbag lawyers mumbo-jumbo...

However copyright infringement is copyright infringement, not theft, neither "petty" nor "grand".

See this LA Times commentary; even mainstream media is starting to pay attention to how the words are being misused to prejudge.

[DereX888]

but theft is a theft. What kind of bullshit is the term "petty theft"? It must have came from scumbag lawyers mumbo-jumbo...

However copyright infringement is copyright infringement, not theft, neither "petty" nor "grand".

See this LA Times commentary; even mainstream media is starting to pay attention to how the words are being misused to prejudge.

...and thats exactly whats wrong with it.
Anyone taking anything that is not his/hers is a thief in my language, and it is called theft, plain and simple.
Anybody with just a hint of common sense and one working brain cell don't need a lawyer to know what's right or wrong.
And I really don't care what newsschmucks say LOL they may say i.e. "temporary illegal use of a mechanical device without intent of returning it to the place of origin" instead - yet it still won't change the fact they are talking about plain old theft, haha.

Having had experience with a police force with a focus like the Bush administration in the War on Terror (no politics that was a joke), I say "RIGHT ON!" to the Norwegians here. I hate lawyers with their "its theft" argument. No its not. "You might as well walk into a record store and take the disc." B&^*#(#t! This is more akin to buying a disc and letting your friend borrow it. Sure it done on a more MASSIVE level but the comparison fits that more than the shoplifting one. Technically its copyright infringement. I agree there and I agree that its wrong. BUT... it should not be a criminal offense. I feel these cases should be civil not criminal. There are bigger problems the police should focus on more than how many songs a 13 year old downloaded.

Here in Chicago, there are an average of about 2 murders every single day. So you can imagine how many attempted murders there are every day. Many, many of them stay unsolved. So you think they should be working on that, huh? You'd be wrong. What do you think the police's focus is on? People who speed coming off the expressways and people who visit prostitutes. You wouldn't believe the amount of speed traps and cameras there are in this city. There are also two major undercover prostitution stings like every week. Because as we all know, speeding and visiting prostitutes all lead to murder. So if they stop those two crimes everything will be fine with the world.

I'm glad to see a police force on this planet with a good grip on priorities.

Well, its a very sad place you live in, I must say.
I wouldn't even call it a city (ghetto comes closer to mind... no offence, please!) and I'd leave it ASAP at first chance if I lived there.
As for stopping the major crimes there - its not that simple. Cops can't do shit without community/society support, and you - living there - probably know it better than me, that the police in US have almost no support from the society at all in all large US cities occupied by ghetto-mentality citizens (and illegals). IMHO cops have no chance at all in such situation.

Yes, I agree its good there is police force with common sense and correct priorities (I cant imagine cops chasing "illegal downloaders" instead of murderers) but still it doesn't change the facts that this so-called "copyright infringement" is nothing else but plain stealing of movies

And lets not forget, in probably most of Norway they are still free from ghetto problems like Chicago. For crying out loud, even their walls are still "graffitti" free and look like walls. You can't compare them to urban USA, its like heaven to third world LOL

[AlanHK]

Anyone taking anything that is not his/hers is a thief in my language, and it is called theft, plain and simple.

No, it is not. Look in a dictionary.
If I see $5 on the ground, and pick it up, thus by your simplistic definition I am a thief?


Labelling an act as "theft" when it isn't is the same propagandistic method that politicians use when they label people who disagree with them as "terrorists".

I'm not going to argue about whether it is right or wrong, but I will argue that is is not "theft".

[DereX888]

Anyone taking anything that is not his/hers is a thief in my language, and it is called theft, plain and simple.

No, it is not. Look in a dictionary.
If I see $5 on the ground, and pick it up, thus by your simplistic definition I am a thief?


Labelling an act as "theft" when it isn't is the same propagandistic method that politicians use when they label people who disagree with them as "terrorists".

I'm not going to argue about whether it is right or wrong, but I will argue that is is not "theft".

Look, I don't know what is your point.
Finding $5 on the street is not a theft, and never have been.
Use common sense instead of giving such inane examples LOL

[Video Head]

Anyone taking anything that is not his/hers is a thief in my language, and it is called theft, plain and simple.

No, it is not. Look in a dictionary.
If I see $5 on the ground, and pick it up, thus by your simplistic definition I am a thief?


Labelling an act as "theft" when it isn't is the same propagandistic method that politicians use when they label people who disagree with them as "terrorists".

I'm not going to argue about whether it is right or wrong, but I will argue that is is not "theft".

Look, I don't know what is your point.
Finding $5 on the street is not a theft, and never have been.
Use common sense instead of giving such inane examples LOL

If you find $5 on the street is it yours? Do you have legal right to it? If someone else can later prove that it legally belonged to them have you committed a theft?

[Video Head]

Further:

A theft is defined as: the act of stealing; specifically : the felonious taking and removing of personal property with intent to deprive the rightful owner of it

A thief is defined as: one that steals especially stealthily or secretly

[AlanHK]

Look, I don't know what is your point.
Finding $5 on the street is not a theft, and never have been.
Use common sense instead of giving such inane examples LOL

It shows your definition is inane.

"Common sense" is not "what I feel"; it's logic.

[slacker]

Common sense has no basis in logic. Common sense is what you KNOW to be true, and stands on its own without the need for any rational explanation. Logic plays a role but doesn't define IT. It is the ability of your mind to absorb the sum total of your subjective awareness and experiences in such a way as to understand the world. IT is synthesis NOT analysis. I have had the pleasure of knowing some unbelievably intelligent people in my life from an IQ perspective. Many had no common sense whatsoever. They were clueless.

The LA Times article cited above (http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oew-healey18feb18,0,5092348.story) was very interesting. The definition of property is clearly a social definition, and social definitions always change over time. It is adaptable and ever-changing.

In our capitalistic society, property has been elevated to the status of a God. Is this okay? Who knows! But the definition of property is a human definition, not an absolute one, not a universal one, not a Godly one, ONLY a legal one.

In a purely capitalistic free market society, there are no regulations. And I find it interesting that so many supposed capitalistics are whining for regulations to protect their little golden eggs. They haven't figured out a way to prevent barriers to entry and protect their distribution channels, and so they cry foul. I don't feel sorry for them. They need to work it out. That is capitalism.

As the article stated, intellectual property is NOT and never will be real property. Copyright law is NOT about thievery. It is something else.

Mark

[ecc]

NBC/Universal general counsel Rick Cotton suggests that society wastes entirely too much money policing crimes like burglary, fraud, and bank-robbing when it should be doing something about piracy instead.

"Our law enforcement resources are seriously misaligned," Cotton said. "If you add up all the various kinds of property crimes in this country, everything from theft, to fraud, to burglary, bank-robbing, all of it, it costs the country $16 billion a year. But intellectual property crime runs to hundreds of billions [of dollars] a year."

Someone should play this statement back to him if he ever gets mugged.

Someone should start a "stupid quotes" page for this guy.