Big HD-DVD news from China

[Squash]

"The agreement announced early this morning US time is critical, because up until now, China has been reluctant to participate in the high-definition video disc industry unless it had an opportunity to bring its own video encoding standard to bear: AVS, a codec which incorporates elements of MPEG-2, but is otherwise different from -- and some argue, better than -- other MPEG encoding standards and VC-1 in important respects..."

http://www.betanews.com/article/New_Chinese_Involvement_Could_Trigger_HD_DVD_Price_Plunge/1189196071

[RabidDog]

Penalty for copying Western Disc = 20000 remnimbi fine
Penalty for copying Chinese Disc = Re-capitation

They seem to be obsessed with the speed and efficiency of encoding, according to that article.
They will have an incentive to prevent rampant piracy with this. Their Hackers can D/l "cammed" copies of western movies which will then be re-authored and sold as CH-DVD in china. LOL.

[edDV]

CVD to
"China initiated the new standard to reduce its reliance on technologies that use international standards heavily influenced by companies in Western countries. The standard will be used in the development of video players, stereos, interactive educational programs, surveillance systems and other audio and video products developed for the Chinese market."

Leading the development of this standard would be Prof. Ahmad, who by that time had joined the University of Texas at Arlington. There, he and the university would receive a $200,000 grant from Sun Microsystems, which was evidently impressed by the use of the UltraSPARC-1 in the Hong Kong team's tests."


Ahmad and Sun (aka JAVA) speak Cantonese? Sun thinks it can bring down Sony and Toshiba this way? Why don't they try something in software? I recently learned my last Firefox update failed to load Java. It took me weeks to learn that.

[DereX888]

Rather than divide pictures down to the most granular level - pixels - video encoding bunches pixels together into what are called macroblocks - cubes, in a way

That sounds exactly like ATi's 1996 patent, used in their ATIVCRx.x codecs, allowing on-the-fly fast encoding videocapture in good quality with as little as 166 MHz CPU AFAIR. What else is new LOL

BTW edDV: almost every educated chinese speak english

[oldfart13]

So, they are stealing (oops, I mean borrowing) again?

[DereX888]

So, they are stealing (oops, I mean borrowing) again?

just same idea more likely

[FulciLives]

I don't trust China no more. Not that I ever did but right now I am SO anti-China.

Let's see ... they poison our pet food. Then they poison our children. Now they poison us through food.

**** 'em.

I want all my shit made in the USA from now on. Well OK for electronics I'll be happy with Japan.

But China should be boycotted for the shit they been doing to us lately.

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

[oldfart13]

The Chinese are boycotting our Canadian beef saying it is unsafe to eat. Unfortunately, I can't eat that 12 tonnes of pork ribs myself. Barbecue anyone?

[dcsos]

JAY LENO SAID:
The safest thing coming out of China these days is Fireworks
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[bendixG15]

The world is rediscovering the old addage....You only get what you paid for..
(Too bad Walmart never heard of it)

Now we are hearing about the backlash against Made in China goods.

I suspect that China is developing its own video standards so that it can slip by paying royalties.

[DereX888]

I don't trust China no more. Not that I ever did but right now I am SO anti-China.

Let's see ... they poison our pet food. Then they poison our children. Now they poison us through food.

**** 'em.

I want all my shit made in the USA from now on. Well OK for electronics I'll be happy with Japan.

But China should be boycotted for the shit they been doing to us lately.

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

gimme a break.

WE and OUR businesses poison ourselves much more than China ever can.
aspartame - aka sugar substitute - pure brain-tumor causing chemical NOT approved anywhere (including FDA) for some 20 years until Big Corporation "proved" the old data was wrong...
/edit: MORE INFO HERE/
diet shit - they all contain same highly carcirogenous sugar-substitutes; all FDA approved too after long 'battles'
cigarettes - i dont think i need to explain? - again FDA approved
GENETICALLY MUTATED frankenfood, formerly known as "fruits and veggies" - approved by FDA even though 85-90% of people were AGAINST it in every poll attempts that were made; had there was any real referendum we would have never had any 'GMOs' ever on the market, apparently (of course there wasn't and never will be any, Co.s will make sure of that). Why do you think our corporations fight so hard to NOT to allow stores to mark the frankenfood with special labels? They know most of people would not buy it had they knew its a 'mutant' of course
Currently almost half of what US and Canada consumes is cross-bred hybrid mutants, NONE of which had been tested for more than just few years yeah, bon apetit americans, even your corn and oranges are no longer real corn nor oranges but pure mutants, i.e. without seeds but with some weed's genes instead (to repel whatever bugs may disturb the crop) that no one knows yet what long-term effeects it will have. US market is a largest testing lab rat in the world if you think of that (FDA approved! )
Are you going to blame chinese too when they start growing genetic mutants for our markets per order of OUR corporations (and using OUR mutated seeds too)? Because this is just about to start happening too.. yeah, blame China LOL

and this list can go on for many paragraphs...

China is a small peanut compared to our own daily dose of poisons LOL
The reason it was brought up to our attention is pure politics, nothing else.

Beside , think of it: why blame chinese, who made their crap for our markets usually per OUR Corporation's order?
For example Mattel knew very well what kind of lead-laced paint chinese were always using before in the past, same as they knew that chinese were going to use same cheap-shit-poison for the toys ordered by Mattel in chinese factories for our market, don't you doubt that Otherwise HOW ELSE they could be so cheap If they wanted good quality and exactly according to OUR standards, they would have order them in US factory - but then the toy would cost 10x more, and would YOU buy it?

China is just a cheap world labor.
Don't blame the workers for making harmful or faulty-designed products, blame the designers!

[gll99]

If China wants another HD format, why not? Whatever their reasons, it's their industries why do they have to toe the line?

OT
As far as inferior products, for that I blame western profiteers and inspectors whose job it is to test those products. Safety issues will always occur whenever countries don't follow the same standards. Those products are not even supposed to make it into the country. Someone else messed up and it wasn't the country of manufacture unless they clearly mislead the importers and regulators. I doubt that they are that naive.

[FulciLives]

OT
As far as inferior products, for that I blame western profiteers and inspectors whose job it is to test those products. Safety issues will always occur whenever countries don't follow the same standards. Those products are not even supposed to make it into the country. Someone else messed up and it wasn't the country of manufacture unless they clearly mislead the importers and regulators. I doubt that they are that naive.

WHAT ?!?!?!

How can you blame the "western profiteers and inspectors" more so than the manufacturer (i.e., China) for using lead based paint on children's toys?

I don't recall when it was that we first realized that lead based paint was bad for children but if my memory serves me well it has been known for at least the past 3 decades now ... if not longer.

I understand that corporations have a tendency towards greed but I cannot believe that a well known USA based toy company would willingly say, "yes use the cheapest paint possible even if it is lead based", but I can see the Chinese manufacturer using lead based paint and lying about it.

So to put emphasis on blame outside of the manufacturer makes no sense to me at all.

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

[dcsos]

Well BOTH ARE AT FAULT
Matell and Hasbro are at fault for designing and asking for dangerous toys
but
for example there's a CHINESE firm that recycled millions of CHOPSTICKS without sterilizing them
(they washed them slightly and resold them!)
thats clearly not the american corp buying the products fault here!
Their gov't has to clamp down a little!

[DereX888]

Do we really need government to check does everyone wipe their ass after poo?

As for Mattel, my bro was a baby when I remember first "chinese toys are painted with lead-contaminated paint". Thats some 15 years ago.
Puhleeeease, don't tell me Mattel or Hasbro never knew about it.
What else is new?


And what the chinese do in their own backyard with their own toys (literally and metaphorically) is none of anyone's business except for chinese people in China.

[ejai]

POLITICAL IGNORANCE, the politicians and corporations decided to use China as an escape goat because they have their own personal reasons to cover up the real truth. Funny we continue to jump on board the political machine that told us lies about the war and other events, yet like mindless zombies we continue to believe them.

China is working for us and we know exactly what they are doing and play dumb when the sh...**t hits the fan. Wake up Americans, Mattel and other major industries that use China's cheap labor know exactly what they are doing.

Remember China holds the purse strings, we don't.

[Conquest10]

Thank you DereX888. So true. The lead paint is used because it makes the toys' colors look brighter and more vibrant. Americans love that. The chemical was added to the dog food because it boosted the perceived amount of protein in it. Who else beside Americans are obsessed and make purchases based on that nutritional facts box on the package?

[edDV]

Thank you DereX888. So true. The lead paint is used because it makes the toys' colors look brighter and more vibrant. Americans love that. The chemical was added to the dog food because it boosted the perceived amount of protein in it. Who else beside Americans are obsessed and make purchases based on that nutritional facts box on the package?

Heh, perceived value is the language of politics. Real value needs testing and buyer decision.

[lordsmurf]

As for Mattel, my bro was a baby when I remember first "chinese toys are painted with lead-contaminated paint". Thats some 15 years ago.

In about 1986, there was a recall on the Voltron Lion Force sets, because the blue lion had a very toxic level of paint. it was a product of Taiwan. This is back when Taiwan was industrialized like that of current China, and at that time, China was just another communist rice field.

It's not even remotely new, it just jumped borders.

[edDV]

China isn't used to buyer power. Don't you just shoot them and move on?
How dare you raise your nail.

[gll99]

The country names used are for illustration purposes. This could apply anywhere.

Have you checked your drinking cups lately? If manufactured in Canada or the USA you should be protected by strict laws on lead paint content. Don't expect that if it's imported. They might even sneak them in as decorative use only but then sold in sets. Where's the permanent stamp that should say for decorative use only, contains lead. Every once in a while some tv show does a story on poor Mr and Mrs X who didn't know why they were sick until they tested their tea and coffee cups made in Spain where the standards aren't or weren't so strict about lead paint or additives. Yes it was Spain not China this time.

How many of you know that "lead" crystal wine decanters should not be used to store wine because the lead will leech into the wine. We own one of the two sets of beautifully cut lead crystal decanters and wine glasses that are often featured in movies and tv shows. You can still buy them. Except for the warnings in those tv exposés I've never seen a warning in the selling store about their use.

Do you guys buy light bulbs or electrical sockets, switches and extension cords from the dollar store. Can they really be made safely for that price. Does the importer who pays less than .25 cents for these items in bulk know that the safety stickers are fakes or does he just turn a blind eye so he can make 3/4 profit on the item. Does he care when they short out and start fires. It's not my problem he says they were stamped as certified and then he goes out and orders another gross case or two of the same priced product with a different company logo on it.

Some countries buy sub-standard steel from the USA and Canada because it's cheaper. In broad America it's not to be used in structural products. Do you believe for a minute that every country will apply the regulations as strictly? Do you want those structural trusses and beams finding their way back into load bearing applications on the American continent? That's what happens if you allow the importer to blame someone else. The importer must do their own testing and certification to satisfy regulators in the importing country..

I maintain that every country has different safety standards for just about everything and that this can never be eliminated without one single world safety standard. Since that will never happen then those products are supposed to meet the standards of the importing country otherwise they should not be imported and sold there. We're not talking about contraband here. It is up to the importer to ensure himself and then certify that the product meets the standards of the country they will be sold in. He can't pass the buck back claiming he didn't know. In this case if a defective product makes it into Canada or the USA then it's not China's problem, it's not Spain's problem, it's not Japan's problem etc... The importer in Canada or the USA is fully responsible and should be held to account to meet the regulations of the country of importation. This applies in reverse also so it should true in every land. Anything else is too easy a cop out.

If the rules and safeguards aren't strict enough then blame the lawmakers. If the products aren't being inspected then blame the govt inspectors and the importers and make them accountable.

The finger pointing by importer / distributors and any regulators who support this tactic is just a diversionary ploy that unfortunately too many are willing to fall for.

[redwudz]

This thread has strayed far off from the original topic and now has no relation to HD-DVD or Latest Video News. Locking it.

Moderator redwudz