ShiZZZoN- Biggest In-depth convo- I expect over 500 replies

[sean madison]

Let's make the impossible happen. Thats what gets us thrilled about encoding, doesnt it?

Ok, here is topic-
Your dvd player can play STANDARD VCD or STANDARD SVCD but not XVCD or XSVCD.
You're sick of it!
It shoudl be able to shouldnt it?
Now you have to encode your movies onto 2 cds and its irritating to get up after half of the movie is done to change it!

Well, I want the biggest technical responses from people who know what they are talking about because I want the impossible to happen!

These 2 questions are gonna be the biggest topic in this conversation-
If you need to IM me, do it on AIM- Shizzzon or email me at locooverrider@hotmail.com

OK, here are 2 questions-
When you use vcd standard encoding, 1 min = 10 mb, but when u use MPEG-1 System Auto, and using same settings as vcd standard, the file size is dramatically dropped.
Well, Why is it that vcd standard encoding is larger with same settings?
And 2nd question-
Using MPEG-1 system auto, which is making an xvcd, is it just making like a cpu made mpeg that is luckily able to play in a dvd player?
Because if it is, then what makes the standard different than the non standard?
This is very ridiculous and confusing.

Do NOT bring up examples such as-
For audio cds, mp3 is equivalent to wav PCM so why cant mp3 be played back on any cd player?
The reason is mp3 is another format that has been compressed differently.

Standard or non standard, I believe its using same sompression but WHY!! not all dvd players play them?

[vhelp]

sean,

...I'll be first, he, he.... but not to debate ya!

First of all, I didn't know that this was possible. And, now that I do, I'm going
to give it a whirl for my xSVCDs, ...soon as I get my system up and running
agin tomorrow!!

But, that 1min per 10mb size issues really quiries my mind a bit!!
When you say, "dramatically dropped" just how much are you talking about
in MB's??
Just thought I'd ask!

- vhelp

[disturbed1]

It has to do with packet size of the muxing.

In a (S)VCD it's burnt to CD using mode2 which puts more data per sector than normal mode1.

(S)VCD uses a 2324 packet size to compliment the burning method.

DVD, which is burnt in UDF/ISO mode1, uses 2048 to compliment it's burning method.

Muxing to different packet sizes is uncompatible with the specs used to burn the discs.

[sean madison]

Question-

In nero, according to its vcd standard specs- as long as it s like this-
352x240 at 29.97 or 23.967
or
352x288 at 25 fps
and audio at 224, its standard
1150 vid bitrate doesnt matter.


If this is true, can i encode at all those specs including using 1150 cbr but use stream type of MPEG-1 System (automatic) or MPEG-1 System VBR and one of those be able to play in a dvd player which only supports vcd standard movies?

[vitualis]

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On 2001-12-27 22:12:02, sean madison wrote:
In nero, according to its vcd standard specs- as long as it s like this-
352x240 at 29.97 or 23.967
or
352x288 at 25 fps
and audio at 224, its standard
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If Nero thinks that, it is completely retarded.

- Bitrate matters
- CBR vs VBR (for VCD) matters
- Pack size matters
- Muxing matters
- + many other factors all matter

As for MPEG-1 Systems Auto vs. "VCD" setting, the difference is not really that "significant", at least it shouldn't be. There shouldn't be much more (if that) than a difference of about 1 MB for a 740 MB MPEG-1 file.

Regards.

[Kdiddy]

For some reason I dont see 500 replies coming for this subject,

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[siaododo]

Files generated with MPEG-1 System (automatic) vs. files generated with MPEG-1 System (Non-starndard), the file sizes may be just a few meg difference, but Nero will generate a much bigger file when it is MPEG-1 System (automatic), therefore it will tell you that the file is too big to burn to CDR, but when it is MPEG-1 System (Non-starndard, the file size remains almost the same. This is true if you are making XVCD. VCD compliant files doesn't make any difference, as long as the file is under 800 mb.

So, therefore, I think the standard & non-stand are using different type of compression.

[mijman]

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For some reason I dont see 500 replies coming for this subject,

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Well, that's the problem with expectations, yes?

besides, I think that our dear Baldrick is quaking in his booties at that notion! hee hee

[bilbogod]

Oh well hate to dissapoint (post 9)

[sean madison]

OK, i may have been wrong about 500 replies, i havent even got 500 views, lol

My website is up and i got more ram so it should not be temporarily down as often anymore

I am still trying to figure out how to make vcd standard only dvd players read still vcd standard made movies but encode them to fit more than 80 min!

[bilbogod]

Webiste doesn't seem to be up (23.52 GMT)...

[KoalaBear]

Y'know, Mr. Madison, if it weren't for guys like you, those of us who have a clue would have nothing to feel smug about.

Thanks for reminding us.

[bilbogod]

Whoaa steady with the unkind comments... This guys a fuc*** genius. Who else do you see on the forum offering lame 56k users the opportunity to view the latest cinema and music offerings every night...??Now that I've put in the good word , why is the website down??

[sean madison]

i'm sorry, here go to it, click on info to go.

There has been many things removed because HD space went low.
When i get me my new HD, i will WHATEVER u want on there.

Right now is mostly pc games and ebooks and part of majestic and full cd.mpg file of joe somebody (930 mb)
Sorry, but when i flush out my hd with more space, there will be new rars!

[bilbogod]

Dude, I just read the info on your webpage (that is sheer poetry Where did you get all that legal jargon from??

[w00kiee]

i think even nice dvd players that will almost anything will choke on (x)vcds created with mpeg-1 system auto setting on if play them at all.

and i know how to fix your dvd player delemma (sp) get a plastic bucket and 2 sticks and perform drumming on the street until you have about $90 . then go to walmart and buy an apex 500w

[sean madison]

w00kiee,

Dude, i think u posted in wrong topic.
Either that, or u or i misread somethin.

Website is down cuz i'm trying to fix my winsock2.vcd file

Please Note, this is not keeping be from going online, it just blue screen flashes me.
I am trying the registry and then using msconfig.

Oh and by the way for all yall 56k users.
I just tested for the New Years- new ways to stream video without skipping or buffering.

Lets take a vote ok-
The bandwidth is set to 3.6 kb\sec
Is that too high and should it be lower(you cannot be doing anything else but watching or listening to stream file)

Tell me.

[matt1562]

3.6k is propably average for 56km altho my 56k averages 6k most days, and i've seen it run upto 20k for almost 4 hours. soo i guess 3.6 is a good number, but i'm sure i could do better.



if u wonder how i did this, don't. it might be a mirracle

ISP: msn
Modem: some old rockwell 56k
Line length: 8 feet


-matt

[w00kiee]

hmm.. perhaps im getting mixed signals from my isp

heres some clippings from what i saw as the first post and my repies

sean madison says:
"Using MPEG-1 system auto, which is making an xvcd, is it just making like a cpu made mpeg that is luckily able to play in a dvd player?
Because if it is, then what makes the standard different than the non standard?
This is very ridiculous and confusing. "

w00kiee repies:

i think even nice dvd players that will almost anything will choke on (x)vcds created with mpeg-1 system auto setting on if play them at all.

sean madison says:

Ok, here is topic-
Your dvd player can play STANDARD VCD or STANDARD SVCD but not XVCD or XSVCD.
You're sick of it!

w00kiee relplies:

... then go to walmart and buy an apex 500w



(apex 500w plays xvcd and xsvcd to clarify)

now if those quotations arent what you said then i apologize. lemme know so i can email baldrik immediately - my vcdgear.com may be busted