Is it legal ?

[mikesbytes]

Audio CD's have a copyright fee added to pay royalities on music CD's copied to them.

However, if you were to download the music and then burn it to the Audio CD, would you be breaking the law ?

[mats.hogberg]

Yes, even if I'm really having a problem with how you can tax crime...

/Mats

[jagabo]

I don't know about Austrailia but it's legal in Canada.

[guns1inger]

If you download from , say, Bigpond music, the license includes burning to CD up the three times. Most legal download sites will allow at least one archive to CD.

If you are just downloading music from places outside the legitimate market place, then no, it isn't legal. The act of downloading them in the first place has broken the law.

[mikesbytes]

So downloading from non authorised sources is illegal, even if you pay a royality fee by burning them to an audio cd

[jimmalenko]

So downloading from non authorised sources is illegal, even if you pay a royality fee by burning them to an audio cd

Yes. It's pretty obvious though, isn't it ?

As far as most of the world (Canada and other countries with similar laws excluded) is concerned, downloading anything that is not public domain or provided directly by or with the permission of the copyright holders is illegal / piracy.

Despite paying the royalty fee for the audio CD, there's many many more costs that went into making the CD in the first place.

[DereX888]

If I don't copy music CDs but use CD-Rs strictly for data - where can I obtain refund for them hidden royalties I've paid?
I hate to provide involuntary support for all those crappy musicians and their RIAA (aka public-extortion groups)...

[jimmalenko]

If I don't copy music CDs but use sCD-Rs trictly for data - where can I obtain refund for them hidden royalties?
I hate to support all those crappy musicians and their RIAA public-extortion groups...

The royalties are only on the "true" Audio CDRs, isn't it ?

[DereX888]

If I don't copy music CDs but use sCD-Rs trictly for data - where can I obtain refund for them hidden royalties?
I hate to support all those crappy musicians and their RIAA public-extortion groups...

The royalties are only on the "true" Audio CDRs, isn't it ?

ah, thats what I thought, but for a second you scared me because I thought it was somehow expanded/incorporated to all CD-R media, hence this discussion... you never know, with all these current digital restriction management etc being concocted behind public's back I wasn't even very surprised

[mats.hogberg]

In Sweden, there will be a tax on all digital storage media determined by storage capacity - memory sticks, HDD, DVD+-R, CD-R, MP3 players, DVD Recorders - in short everything where you can store digital information.
Why not put a tax on crowbars, that goes to all of us, that might have a visit from burglars?

/Mats

[DereX888]

In Sweden, there will be a tax on all digital storage media determined by storage capacity - memory sticks, HDD, DVD+-R, CD-R, MP3 players, DVD Recorders - in short everything where you can store digital information.
Why not put a tax on crowbars, that goes to all of us, that might have a visit from burglars?

/Mats

We can't, because we don't have anyone lobbying for us or guarding our best interests...
well, we supposedly do have one - in theory - its called 'government'... quit laughing, i said 'in theory'


You Swedes have no reason to complaint, or so i heard (who's the #1 country?)
Worse to worst - just sell more oil... or start exporting some military bomb-safe version of volvos to those who have not enough oil in their own backyard...

[mattso]

You Swedes have no reason to complaint, or so i heard (who's the #1 country?)
Worse to worst - just sell more oil... or start exporting some military bomb-safe version of volvos to those who have not enough oil in their own backyard...

Or, just start pumping out some of that classic Swedish punk rock you were notorious for back in late '70s/early '80s!

[DereX888]

You Swedes have no reason to complaint, or so i heard (who's the #1 country?)
Worse to worst - just sell more oil... or start exporting some military bomb-safe version of volvos to those who have not enough oil in their own backyard...

Or, just start pumping out some of that classic Swedish punk rock you were notorious for back in late '70s/early '80s!

you mean ABBA? :P

[mats.hogberg]

Unfortunaley, the oil belongs to the Norwegians, which we set free 101 years ago. In retrospect, a really bad move!
Don't really remember much Swedish punk - At the time, I was more into UK punk - Clash, Sex Pistols - Ah Nostalgia!

/Mats

[mikesbytes]

Whats the legal wording on Audio CD's royalitys?

1. OK to use the songs from an existing CD?

2. OK to use the songs from a DVD?

3. OK to use the songs from the Radio ?

4. OK to use the songs from any source ?

[guns1inger]

OK to use to burn music you have aquired legally - CD, download from online vendor, DVD. Any legal source.

[kschang]

Hmmm... I've always thought that Audio CD was meant only to be used on those standalone Audio CD recorders.

Those audio CD recorders are also extra-taxed, like the audio CD's, and have DRM that will not copy a copy, right?

[cpotoso]

So, if the audio CD's have royalties added to the cost, it should mean it is legal to burn anything to them. Otherwise what is the extra royalties that are being levied on them for???

[ROF]

Otherwise what is the extra royalties that are being levied on them for???

Most good levies go towards lining the state/federal coffers.

[adam]

In the ,the details of the royalties are specified in 17 USCS 1008. It is handled by a private entity so the Federal Govt. does not get a cut as far as I know.

cpotoso the royalties are distributed to the music industry so that is why the allowance for copying only applies to musical works. The whole thing is part of the Audio Home Recording Act which is a compromise between music industry, hardware/software manufacturers, and consumers.

Backing up something like computer software and other general data is allowed under another section and there is no royalty charged on the media (plain cdrs, dvdrs) or hardware used for this. As fo yet there is no allowance for backing up audio/visual works like DVDS.

In countries like Canada there is a general tax on all media so backups are legal across the board. In the US we've only got this for audio.

[iLuvLandingStrips]

In countries like Canada there is a general tax on all media so backups are legal across the board. In the US we've only got this for audio.

There are no extra taxes on HD or DVD-/+R discs here that I know of.

[JerryB]

Audio CD's have a copyright fee added to pay royalities on music CD's copied to them.

However, if you were to download the music and then burn it to the Audio CD, would you be breaking the law ?

hi,
well I'll add my cents worth smile... as you can see various countries handle things differently....

here in the U.S. there various laws concerning copyrights on music.. but in general, for this discussion.. if you own the cd/tape-cassetts/vhs ..... it is legal to copy it as long as it for your personal use and not to giveaway or sell!!
in fact there currently a big lawsuite against Sony's BMG label!!....besides putting malware that can hurt a computer on there bmg music albums, they are also being sued for preventing people from legally copying music, from copies of cd's they own) for there personal use.

now with that basic law in mind..... if you pay for downloaded music, which is the same thing as buying the cd.... then it should be legal to burn that music that you paid for and downloaded and hense should be able t burn to your cd's for personal use.... the operative word is "personal use"
now the RIAA of course will fight tooth and nail on this issue but it is interesting... that they have never challenge the law... smile...... and I doubt they will!!!

[canadateck]

Its in the Price.(Mark up).

[DereX888]

whoever pays for downloading the music is already ripped off in the quality (instead of crispy broadrange .wav you get crappy mp3 or aac at best) and then you pay levies in the audio cd-r? not mentioning the inconvenience of digital restrictions...
lol
no wonder pirated music basically rules on the internet...
corporate greed always kills best ideas :/