So will you buy Windows Vista when it comes out??
I only have a 32bit CELERON so I don't have any need to jump to a 64bit platform. I'm happy with XP so there's no need at the moment.
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Donatello - The Shredder? Michelangelo - Maybe all that hardware is for making coleslaw?
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I am running XP Pro but plan to upgrade to the 64bit XP.
With all the Palladium/NGSCB/DRM Nonsense, I will stick with XP.Believing yourself to be secure only takes one cracker to dispel your belief. -
Depends on the situation. I'll wait a little while to see what problems vista will have, what Vista wil support, the cost etc...
Will eventually make a move though. -
While I plan to make the move to Vista I will wait at least 90 days or more before considering my purchase. This will allow me to see what others are saying, what issues the release version has, and other related tid bits.
I definitely see a few Vista's in my future. -
I'm staying with XP Pro. I may go with Vista when I'm ready for a new computer If it's not overly DRMed like I think it will be.
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Though one interesting thing I read in the paper today was that Vista is supposed to let you pop in a dvd rom game and play it without installing the software. That would be a great time saver and harddrive space saving if it were true. Though how it would read the info off of the disc fast enough to not effect gaming I'm not sure.
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I'm getting it because it'll answer the question of "which OS should I install on this other machine?" for at least several months.
My main workstation is going to stay XP Pro for the foreseeable future. It has run pretty much non-stop with its hardware for close to two years without ever having to touch the Ghost images I back up with monthly. Proof that you don't really need to re-install XP all the time for it to run well as long as you know what you're doing 8)
Bugger the XP Home box that is my ancient Dell desktop. It's basically just my office/internet machine now and spends its time running Quicken for the business finances and keeping all the invoices/information. I really do hate that machine though.
The old video workstation is my HTPC so I don't see a reason to change from that since it does what I need it to do. It also acts as a media server to the other PCs so I can watch my recorded TV at the other stations. Upgrading to GbE was one of the best things I've done in years.
However I will be putting the next Windows OS on either the half of a computer I have here (the two Nocona rejects from my main and everything else, I just need a motherboard for them) which will likely be a rackmount media server, or it'll go on my next system which I will begin building this summer hopefully.
I just realized something though: I'm running out of ways to utilize all these SMP machines!I'm such a junky
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Originally Posted by yoda313
1. wait for the sp1 patch to come out.... M$ seems always to rush to release a new OS when they know there problems!! hense wait for the major patches to come out.. smile
2. need to see how it handles the legacy 32 bit programs and in some cases 16 bit programs....
3. hard ware requirements fromn what little been released it looks like system requiremetns are going to be heavy... and expensive..
4. drivers for hardware..... wait and see if going to be another fiascal like WINme was and winxp!! in trying to get drivers...!!
very possibly how friendly will it be to have a dual boot setup... i have a feeling that some of my major legacy programs may not work maybe need to have a dual operating system!! ...
those are some of my thoughts....
most likely i'll wait untill I need to upgrade and depending critic reports and things i have mentioned that willl be when i'll upgrade to win64 -
Originally Posted by jerrybDonatello - The Shredder? Michelangelo - Maybe all that hardware is for making coleslaw?
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Originally Posted by yoda313
Yoda... you mean you don't have some favorite dos or 16 bit program that they don't make any more!!! smile.... there are some 16/32 bit word proccessors that are superior to what out there now.. smile... that they no longer make.... there also for other people where there 16 bit programs that no longer made but superor to what avail ....... or it just not avail in 32 bit format....
You'll find that people don't like to turn lose of there favorite programs just because M$ says so...smile.... they want to keep them either because it does what they want or they can't get anything newer or just the expense!!!
legacy programs will be a significant issue!!!! if people upgrade or not to win64 .... in fact, if it turns out there a serious issue of win64 handling legacy programs..... M$ will have to go with maintaining both winxp and win64 ..... for along time.... but we'll have to wait and see if thee a serious issue with win64 on the legacy issue..... -
Well I do have dos games but the ones I really want to save (ie xwing) have windows redos. But I can understand its just that there aren't any nongame apps that I've seen a need to keep.
Donatello - The Shredder? Michelangelo - Maybe all that hardware is for making coleslaw? -
X-Com, Original Doom, Old Adventure Games, and a few other software APPS are all good reasons for older gamers to keep their Pentium Pro machines around instead of junking them. Nostalgia is one of the reasons people will always keep 16bit APPS and DOS based OSs installed. There are also people who can't seem to let go of their old accounting or business programs. Change is hard for some. I still have my TRS-80 for the above reasons. It uses RS-DOS.
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Originally Posted by rofDonatello - The Shredder? Michelangelo - Maybe all that hardware is for making coleslaw?
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Originally Posted by yoda313
I run into that issue with people all the time on other boards.. how to make there old legacy program work on a new OS and the reason is they can't find better than what they have...
myself I have alittle old dos inventory type program that really nice.... that i keep my cassetts and lps on..... it very fast, very simple, easy to use and yet..... i can do things with it that are very cumbersome and slow to do in your latest and greatest programs.. smile...
also have a little program called norton commander 4 , it a old dos shell file manager... far superior to windows explorer (in any version of windows) in serveral respects.... I use that program in many different ways on my other computer... and pc teck they leve it once they see it.... because of what it can do...
unfortuately it not advisable to use on a winxp ntfs disk partition!! still looking for something equelivent to nc4 .... presently looking at rjs software.... but not sure...
word processor..... ami pro 3 (16/32 bit combo) is still probably the best word processor that been made..... but they stop that version years ago..... it still hold up very well if not better than msword or open office.....
I still get request for copies for that... smile... from people who want a good fast small word processor......!
note my opion only... M$ word has always been a hog, very slow,,,, no improvements with it in years... wordperfect...... it was only starting with version 10 that it started to get better.....
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I get my home copy of Windows for free through the site licence at work (I work from home a lot).
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XP-Pro here. (only cost me $25US as a student here at the local college.) I see no compelling reason to upgrade to Vista at this time. Sure, it has a few nice features and bells & whistles, but not enough to make me buy it, especially since I would have to buy the most expensive version for it do all I need it to do.
MS's most basic version of Vista is a joke, and a lot of novice buyers will be seriously disappointed in finding out just how limited it is. For example, it's most serious limitation is only 3 (yes, 3!) windows open at one time. Also, none of the visual effects are available. There are a number of web pages showing just what each version of Vista will do.
Sorry, I don't have them on hand just now, but I'm sure others here do.
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Originally Posted by Prot
First I agree with you..... I thought I would add some interesting info....
What been released is a winxp pro (vista) ..... and they been giving away this product FREEE..smile that should tell you something... it's not the final product...
from what have learned at the time of it release.. it's primarily a extended beta version.. and reason it was released..
a. to get feedback from users....... for improvements
b. also for the software programers to have to something to work with to upgrade present 32 bit software, new software, drivers, etc etc...
M$ marketing is planning on 3 versions of vista!
1. a very basic home version...
2. a more advanced home version
3. and then the winxp 64 pro version.... for buisness and other high end uses...
It should be very interesting what they finally come up with when they release the official/final versions of Vista! -
Let's face it... Windows XP is actually a pretty good OS. It doesn't look half bad and for Microsoft, it is stable. Most things work on Windows XP.
Vista doesn't seem to offer much in terms of new features but requires a lot more performance. Eye candy is nice, but not necessary for productivity (and as I stated, Windows XP doesn't look THAT bad).
I probably will not buy Windows Vista until I get another computer (where it would probably be "bundled").
Regards.Michael Tam
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DRM will be a major hold back for me just don't like it.don't like the thought of OS checking everything.have a hard enough time installing progs like procoder right now.secondly every prog I now run would have to be supported and some are not even updated anymore,dvd shrink and dvd decrypter 3.5.4.0.probably stay with XP even if I build a new system.
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Not Only No......I'll stay Win2k as long as I can
No DRM/Activation Garbage for me thank you
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If it comes bundled with a pc...or eventually gets shoved down my throat i.e. if and when xp phases out, then yes, otherwise, i dont think im gonna be shelling out money for another OS when the one ive got is just fine...in the words of some wise people, if it aint broke, dont fix it.
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I still haven't found a good enough reason to go to WinXP, much less Vista, as Win2K still does everything I use my computer for now. I did recently buy a computer at a garage sale for $20 that has WinXP SP1 on it, but it's really underpowered so I haven't done anything with it yet.
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keep those old machines!
you can do alot with DOS these days. You can burn cd's and even use usb/pen drives in dos. I recently built an all dos box for a guy who owns a tire shop. The program he used kept track of all his inventory and worked as the cash register..etc. In order to upgrade he would have had to buy a newer computer, windows, and spend about $2000 for the new version of the software! An amd k6-2 500 w/128mb ram was more than enough to run everything he needed. If you do a little reading and figure out how to make a dos based menu's and customized .bat files you can have a fully customized machine that runs as easily as a windows program without all the bloat. He has a menu that runs his shop program, backs up his customer data to cd or zip, restores it from cd/zip, opens a word processor, and more with the push of a button. -
I, like alot around here will prolly hold off moving to Vista for quite some time.
The hardware upgrades needed to run Vista are really nothing new or that really concern me as some of you may remember the biggest requirement for Win95 was MEMORY....oh how the masses crienged breaking that 640K barrier (hehe).
The history of the initial release buggyness, stability and restrictions is what concerns me the most.
Even to this day I can run XP Home (even SP2'ed) on my non-production machines and it's a matter of time before one crashes...On the otherhand, running XP Pro on the same machines provide smooth sailing.
Also, it seems as time goes on MS is restricting what you can and can't do with your OS...First XP included RAW_SOCKETS (for those of you that understand) then the SP's took em away :/ Now embedded DRM and who knows what else is on the way? Kinda hard to swallow when you look at other OS's that GIVE you the options or abilities instead of restricting them or taking them away.
Non-the-less, I'll wait...
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I'm going to run Windows 2000 until I can make Linux a viable alternative. I refuse to buy XP or Vista, or any other product with activation, let alone DRM...
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Originally Posted by burnman99
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Looks as if there is going to be ten versions, including an anti-piracy version that lets you open only 3 applications....
How nice they are going to have a better search engine & call it 'search'. Brilliant!
"Windows Vista has several planned new features such as an entirely new graphical user interface called Aero, improved searching technology appropriately dubbed Search, and an XML specification designed for document formats and similar in many ways to Adobe's PDF entitled XPS. Windows Vista also has an entirely new development API, WinFX, along with several other key technologies. In addition, current speculation points to several different editions of Windows Vista being released, including starter, home, and professional editions. The new operating system had several previously scheduled features that are currently not planned to go into the operating system such as WinFS and the new command shell, MSH code-named Monad."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Vista
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