Video noise during "PowerDVD" playback, but not ho

[tonemgub]

I'm putting VHS tapes onto DVD using a home video recorder, "Panasonic DMR-ES10 DVD Recorder", using DVD-RW.

After the DVD-RW is finalized in the player, when I play back the DVD in my Dell Insprion laptop using "PowerDVD v5" software, there's a band of video noise horizontally across the bottom of the screen, about 10% up from the bottom of the image. This occured for two different DVD recording, so I don't think it is the disc.

When this disc is played back on two seperate home DVD machines, no noise!!

Any help??

[steveryan]

It's overscan, seeing it on a computer monitor is quite normal.

[mats.hogberg]

To elaborate: A TV hides the edges of the video outside the viewable area - a computer monitor does not.
The problem is usually the opposite, where stuff (like subtitles) are placed at the edge of the video, and vanishes (or is cut off) when viewed on the TV.

/Mats

[tonemgub]

Thanks for the "cause".

I do have a problem believing it, though.

Let's say you recorded a video of the ocean, and the ocean's horizon. Say on the computer I see my video noise on the ocean's horizon. On the TV, I see a clean ocean's horizon! I see the same video "frame" on both computer and TV.

Any way I can eliminate this annoyance? You mean everyone who views homemade DVD's sees this noise??

I appreciate your help.

[tonemgub]

I plan to copy 50 VHS tapes. I have a real problem accepting this noise on ALL tapes viewed on the computer for EVERY playback of EVERY tape.

Thanks.

[ofbarea]

Most of the tapes I capture with either an DMR-E55 or DMR-ES10 have this problem. Some of the Laserdisc captures have a little overscan noise, but not as bad as tape captures.

And yes, most people creating home videos from VHS tapes, see this overscan noise. Usually creating videos from Hi8 and from DV cameras will not present this problem

The stuff that I want/need without this overscan is usually captured into an AVI DV, cropped and rendered into MPEG2.

If you do not want to recapture your video, you will have to re-encode the MPEG2 stream, cropping out the noise in the process.

I use TMPGEnc for this and then I re-author the DVD with TMPGEnc DVD author.

[edDV]

Thanks for the "cause".

I do have a problem believing it, though.

Let's say you recorded a video of the ocean, and the ocean's horizon. Say on the computer I see my video noise on the ocean's horizon. On the TV, I see a clean ocean's horizon! I see the same video "frame" on both computer and TV.

Any way I can eliminate this annoyance? You mean everyone who views homemade DVD's sees this noise??

I appreciate your help.

Play it to a TV with a "vertical hold" control. Slip the picture vertical and you should see the noise when playing the VHS tape or DVD. This noise occurs offscreen on a vertically locked overscanned TV.

[mattso]

Or invest in this . Put it between VCR & DVD recorder, and it will provide video noise reduction as well as mask out any garbage top & bottom! (Not cheap, tho'!).

Would be nice to see DVD recorders with this masking feature!

[mats.hogberg]

The only way to get rid of the noise on the monitor, is to crop top and bottom off your capture. You don't say to what format you capture, but if it's AVI, that you encode to mpg, you can filter (crop) in VirtualDub, and frameserve to the mpeg encoder, instead of feeding the AVI straight to the encoder.

/Mats

[Megahurts]

Some of the older JVC SVHS VCR's such as the HR-S5800U have a switch called 'Full Area Fine' that blanks out the head switching noise at the bottom of the screen.

I don't know if any newer models have this feature.


Chas

[tonemgub]

Thanks. The forum is great, in that you can get answers the same day.

The Panasonic home recorder creates *.VOB files. I merely finalize the DVD-RW, then copy the *.VOB to my hard drive, then open them with "PowerDVD". The home recorder creates several *.VOB files for one VHS tape. I was planning to use "Simple File Joiner"

Link: http://www.peretek.com/sfj.php

to combine the multiple files into one file for one video. For long term, should I save them as *.mpg, or is *.vob OK?

This is a bummer. I guess I'm saying "I don't need more computer work for this 50 VHS tape project". Is batch processing an option? I don't like cropping and losing that section of the original.

[ofbarea]

On the cropping problem.

Actually you are not loosing that portion of video. It is lost already. You just are hiding it so it does not look ugly in your screen.

Some tools have the possibility of batch processing, but I cannot comment on any as I have never required such functionality yet.

[mats.hogberg]

VOB or mpg doesn't matter - a VOB is just a "wrapper" for mpg (and other) streams, but as a VOB is a specialized DVD file type, I'd stick to the more generic mpg.

/Mats

[MysticE]

Thanks. The forum is great, in that you can get answers the same day.

The Panasonic home recorder creates *.VOB files. I merely finalize the DVD-RW, then copy the *.VOB to my hard drive, then open them with "PowerDVD". The home recorder creates several *.VOB files for one VHS tape. I was planning to use "Simple File Joiner"

Link: http://www.peretek.com/sfj.php

to combine the multiple files into one file for one video. For long term, should I save them as *.mpg, or is *.vob OK?...

You could also just rip the -RW with Decrypter. Go into the IFO mode settings and set 'file splitting' from 1G to none.

And 'YES" every VHS transfer I've made with my Pioneer standalone burner shows this effect when viewed on a computer but not when viewed on a TV with any player. I do not consider it a problem as I never watch these transfers on the computer.