Toast 6 + Popcorn vs. Toast 7

[jespring]

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[Frobozz]

No way to know what Roxio's future plans are for Popcorn, but in answer to your question: There is no feature in Popcorn that isn't also in Toast 7.

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[terryj]

What your forgetting though is that you will also
have to upgrade your OS ( you have 10.39, Toast 7 requires
OSX 10.4 Tiger) and that you will also have to upgrade
your Quicktime [Pro, if you have it] to v. 7.03.

( could you try and run it on 10.39 and Quicktime 7---
sure, but many here, myself included, have reported the
MANY, MANY problems Quicktime 7 causes OSX 10.39,
and have found that 10.4 and QT 7 are the most stable
combination.)


QT 7.03=$30
OSX Tiger=$129
Toast 7= $60 for registered previous owners of Toast 6

total =$219!

at best, ebay should net you, minus the trouble and hassle
of selling the software, which has already been pre-registered,
which will DEDUCT from the value for some
one who will buy it ( trust me, this is a BIG stickler on ebay)
about $25 to $30, give or take.
(if you have the original box, manuals, your Factory CD is
in great shape, etc.)

Good Luck!

[Frobozz]

Toast 7's system requirements are OS 10.3.9 or later, a G4 Mac and QuickTime 7. There is no requirement for QuickTime Pro or Tiger. Also, there are several software purchases that make one eligible for the $20 rebate.

[terryj]

Toast 7's system requirements are OS 10.3.9 or later, a G4 Mac and QuickTime 7.

Hate to bust your bubble Fro, but
if you've paid attention to my and Dan's postings about
Quicktime 7 as well as others on Apple's
own message boards you would see that 10.39 and
Quicktime 7, in response to video editing, is a bad combination.

Pro app support, especially AC3 audio for authoring DVDs is
also problematic under QT 7. Heck, you even said yourself
the best remedy in an earlier post was to use "OSX 10.42 and
Quicktime 7" on a seperate fw drive.

There is no requirement for QuickTime Pro or Tiger.

My point for Tiger, see above.
my point for Quicktime Pro was that if this user had QT Pro under v. 6.52
on his OS X 10.39 system, (and why he doesn't I couldn't
possibly imagine... )
would be that in upgrading, you would have to also upgrade your
Pro key in Tiger, as you couldn't use the Pro key from QT 6.52.

Also, there are several software purchases that make one eligible for the $20 rebate.

Again, I mentioned one...the rebate for
"REGISTERED USERS of TOAST 6",
which I'm happy to I finally got mine, even though I cannot
at this time use Toast 7.

My final summary: Be aware that the cost of upgrading to a new piece of
software just for cool bells and whistles, often comes with a higher price
( and time and effort) than you might think at first glance.

[Frobozz]

Fear not, my bubble's not burst. I understand you are raising your concerns about using Toast 7 in 10.3.9 because of its QT 7 requirement and troubles people have had with QT 7 and 10.3.9. I switched to Tiger so my experiences aren't the same as yours. One thing I'm unclear about is the relevance of QT's problems with AC-3 audio and using Toast 7. Toast doesn't use QT for encoding AC-3.

There are still bugs in the current version of Toast and an update is promised soon. You may recall that I was a beta tester for Toast 7 and I got to beta test one version of the update to check if it fixed an issue I was having (and it did).

Please do try a 10.3.9/QT 7/Toast 7 combination again after the next Toast update is released. It's a shame you're not getting to benefit from its many improvements over Toast 6 because of QuickTime 7 issues with 10.3.9.

As for the OP, I keep Toast 6 and Popcorn on my Mac "just in case." I've even used them both since getting Toast 7 although after the next update I'll be comfortable retiring them from my Mac.

[terryj]

Frobozz: good to know, glad to hear old friend.

As for AC3, it was more of a point to QT 7, NOT Toast 7.
While Toast 7's engine is far removed from QT dependency
now, unfortuantely playing that same DVD on the mac
using DVD Player 4.6 is not.

Again, QT 7 is a major dog. And to whit, Apple is coming around
on it, but SLOWLY for us Pro App users.
( There first response was UPGRADE EVERYTHING.
nice if you have the cash and the time to deal with
headaches, Apple. Some of us have to work for a living. )

Eventually, I hope to join you in happy adventures in
Toast 7 land. For now, that's not the case.

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[Spoffo]

Don't be put off by the dialogue that comes up in Toast 7 that says it requires QT7. I'm running Toast 7 with 10.3.9 and QT6 pro. So far I haven't found a function of Toast 7 that doesn't work just fine with this combination. I'm sure there is one, but I've burned data DVDs and video disks (SL and DL) from video files requiring encoding and from ripped .vobs and VIDEO_TS folders, as well as data and music CDs. I've also used Toast's compression to fit a ripped flick onto a SL disk. So, whatever it is that requires QT 7 is a fairly obscure function that can probably be worked around with other tools like Streamclip.

Just click past that QT 7 warning and away you go.

[Frobozz]

Spoffo, you've been luckier than others. There are a few posts on the Toast 7 forum about audio pops and clicks on DVDs that were encoded with Toast 7 using QuickTime 6.5.3.

[Spoffo]

Now that I think of it, I may not have actually done any disks with Toast 7 that required actual encoding, which I imagine is where QT would be used. I've assembled disks using Toast's nice new menus, but they may well have all been from bits that were already in .VOB form. I can say that for this kind of disk as well as the Popcorn-type shrinking and just regular SL and DL burns, the results have been flawless.