Sony and Toshiba Blu Ray deal .. dead !

[pchan]

http://www.dvdrecorderworld.com/news/231

Now that the deal is dead. We may have to wait for a combo drive that can read both format !

[guns1inger]

not surprised, unfortunately

[the * dude]

you don't want any of THAT!!!!


bring back VCDs!!!!

[misterchuckles]

Sigh...oh well, like we were expecting it anyways right? Blu-Ray is the superior format but Toshiba will prolly win this war because they'll be the cheaper of the two to produce apparently. Sounds kind of familiar...like betamax and vhs. I look forward to getting a blu-ray burner and two HD-DVDs on one disc.

[BJ_M]

Blu-Ray is the superior format?

not completly in all respects ..

[RAAGAAman]

Blu-ray will win. Most of the HW Mfg(Panasonic, Pioneer, Sony, Philips and Liteon) are in the Blu-ray camp. Also, the major IT mfg such as Dell and HP are behind the format. There will be startup costs associated with BD startup but the supporters will not let it fail because there is to much riding on the IP involved. HD DVD will be dead by the end of next year. Just another flash in the pan just like Beta.

RG

[misterchuckles]

Blu-Ray is the superior format?

not completly in all respects ..

Well from a production standpoint it sounds like HD-DVD is the cheaper of the two, but whether its cheaper for them or not, Studios are still going to charge the same amount of $$ so is that better? I'm more focused on the medium itself and its jump forward in advancement over DVD. So far, Blu Ray has a 10GB/layer advantage over HD-DVD, a nearly scratchproof compatible shell developed by TDK, additional possible layers so far totaling eight for a 200GB disc, and best of all, Pioneer's biodegradable cornstarch blu-ray disc. If you want to talk about innovation that justifies buying a new player and supporting a new format, why would you want to go to HD-DVD?

It's pretty obvious that HD-DVD isn't being rolled out to benefit high-definition viewers. Consider that Toshiba reps said that rather than increase capacity, they're "considering more efficient software compression" to squeeze longer high-def movies onto their disks. Isn't the whole point of these new disks that they'll accommodate high-definition formats without stripping them of their high resolution?

[BJ_M]

i didnt say i supported HD-DVD

it does have SOME advantages I recall - i cant remember what they are other than production ease and cost ... and they have tooted being able to increase the capacity bigger than the current rollout ...

i think bluray will win - anyway , since it will be in the ps3

[RottenFoxBreath]

yeah and thats what i want in my next gen games,more f*cking full motion,this time in hidef.
personnaly i hope that toshiba pull this oune outta the bag,why not forward better compression,jesus,some of the hdtv streams ive seen are frickin huge,thats why ya need 200gig on a disc.
i assume the consumer will more than likely be moved into the toshiba camp as the current hardware wil still be of some use.
but who really knows,until they hit the streets,and prices are set*cough*fixed.
one thing is tho,it wont kill off dvd overnight,thats for sure.it may lead to ,"oh these ps3 games are on cool discs",but in the end,all the better to scratch to hell by the masses"

[misterchuckles]

No worries. Just backing up my own statement because I was rather brief earlier. As much as I despise Sony for their business practices, especially their product warranties, I really hope Blu-Ray becomes the next medium. I don't know if that will be enough for me to buy a PS3 though...

[yoda313]

Hi,

I'll just wait for the next-next-next-next generation dvd - TRITANIUM DVD!

Kevin

[moneylee]

does this mean no BR for PS3?

[yoda313]

does this mean no BR for PS3?

Hi,

That doesn't mean blue ray is dead just the hybrid of bluray and hddvd is over right now.

Kevin

[joeg04]

Blu-Ray and HD-DVD are both dead. HVD (holographic versatile disk) uses 2 laser beams and has up to 1 TB capacity.

[BJ_M]

phhffftttt

doesnt beat my holocube which stores data on the atomic level, it can hold about 10 to the 32nd power tB of data per sq. cm squared...

It also =- will be released sometime in the future .....

[joeg04]

will be released sometime in the future .....

This year:
http://www.cdrinfo.com/Sections/News/Details.aspx?NewsId=13262

[BJ_M]

mine holds more --


holographic storage is great - but im being smug because every week someone announces a "new" storage method that promises the yellow brick road ... and we really rarely never see these things in the local store ... no mater the proposed time frame ..


and holographic type storage goes back years - it was proposed i believe in the 70's

[joeg04]

You seem to be very pessimistic.

and we really rarely never see these things in the local store ...

Then order it over the internet

[ipdave]

InPhase is here now; soon for sale, and will be expensive at first (just like the $3,000 Blu-Ray recorders in Japan right now:
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InPhase recently began shipping its Tapestry HDS5000 media, a recordable holographic drive based on WORM (Write Once Read Many) technology.

A newer version, the Tapestry HDS-200R, is expected to hit the market this year. The new version will be a 200GB recordable drive with a 20 MB-per-second transfer rate.

According to the company, Tapestry's target markets include professional video/rich media, regulatory compliance, and data archive applications that value high capacity, fast transfer rate and long media archival life. Specific application areas include security, geospatial imagery, broadcast, medical, and digital video in business and entertainment.

Both companies are relying on holographic information storage technology to achieve their goals. According to ECMA, an industry association group spearheading the development of a standard for holographic information storage, one HVD can store more than 200G of data, or the equivalent of more than 40 of today's DVDs, and eventually will be able to store more than 1.3TB.

Optware and InPhase, as well as contenders Aprilis Inc. of Maynard, Mass. and Colossal Storage Corp. of San Jose, Calif., are doing their best to get HVD-based products to market. Both InPhase and Optware plan to have products available this year and to introduce more over the next several years.

And in the case of InPhase, the company already has a variety of vendors interested in its technology. First out of the gate is Sony Corp., which already has demonstrated a holographic ROM technology using InPhase's Tapestry media that enables backward read compatibility with DVD and CD formats.

[Darth Paris]

phhffftttt

doesnt beat my holocube which stores data on the atomic level, it can hold about 10 to the 32nd power tB of data per sq. cm squared...

It also =- will be released sometime in the future .....

I'm going to pre order one. When will you start allowing preorders?

[BJ_M]

2050

[shelbyGT]

2050

no no, you take preorders now, ship 2050! I'll be your marketing manager on this one.

[ukb007]

The customer is the king. The Blu-ray/HD-DVD talks may be dead, but that only paves the way for drives that will use both without any fuss. Think about DVD+R and DVD-R. Now you'll be hard-pressed to find a machine that's exclusively one or the other.

I wouldn't worry, if I were you. Just wait it out. Those big players are too greedy not to try to grab your purse with a combo machine.

Thanks.

[BJ_M]

DVD+R and DVD-R use the same laser though

[shelbyGT]

I don't care who wins as I won't be able to use/afford this technology for QUITE some years in the future.

[waheed]

DVD+R and DVD-R use the same laser though

Would the same principle not apply to Blu Ray/HD DVD. Blue laser frequency in the range of 400nm.

[kburton]

I may be wrong, but I thought both Blu-Ray and HD-DVD both use a blue laser. The data on a Blu-Ray disc is more dense, thus providing a higher capacity than HD-DVD.

[BJ_M]

yea maybe so, i seem to recall some diff between them though but dont feel like looking it up

-- i am just going to wait and see how it comes out .....

[Cornucopia]

IIRC, the competing systems both have the same blue laser wavelength, but the optics are different--Numerical Aperture, etc--to make HD-DVD focus at ~.6mm (same as DVD) and Blu-Ray focus at ~.1mm.

Nonetheless, it's been shown to be a no-brainer to make multi-laser pickup assemblies for CD + DVD, and a CD + DVD + BlueLaser multipickup has been demoed, so it shouldn't be too much more difficult to make a CD + DVD + HDDVD + BR unit.

Scott

[ukb007]

DVDs have a laser wavelength of 650 nm, and both the blu-ray and HD-DVD have 405 nm. The only two edges that the HD-DVD have over Blu-ray is that HD-DVD fabrication can use the existing plants and machinery, while the Blu-ray will need completely new production assemblies, and HD-DVD is backward compatible. It is this initial expenditure that the manufacturers feel unwarranted, and from a consumer point of view the backward compatibility is an issue.

All said, it must be pointed out that quantum leap means fresh perspectives, not a rehash of the old ones. Blu-ray is considered by many to be a quantum leap, while HD-DVD is only an extrapolation of the current trend.

Whether both formats can survive side-by-side is anyone's guess, but only Blu-Ray has the USP of being used in the forthcoming Playstation3. This fact alone makes it a strong contender and unless HD-DVD can quickly find a similar selling point, there will be an awful lot of households locked into a Blu-Ray future, with little need to look elsewhere.

Thanks.