to scan or not to scan???

[Xylob the Destroyer]

I have a Sony DVP-NS725P progressive scan player https://www.videohelp.com/dvdplayers.php?DVDname=dvp-ns725p&Submit=Search&Search=Search...y=Name&hits=25 and a Sony KV-36HS420 HD-ready TV/monitor. The player is connected to the TV via RGB connection.
Last nite I watched "The Incredibles" utilizing the player's progressive scan mode and throughout, noticed bad 'jaggies' -- scanlines.
When I watched all 3 of the Lord of the Rings movies using the progressive scan mode, the picture was BEAUTIFUL - practically flawless.
When "The Incredibles" was over, I went back to some of the scenes that I noticed the 'jaggies' were worst and switched between the various progressive modes the player offers and found that the picture was vastly improved when I turned the progressive feature OFF.

How are you supposed to know which discs/movies to use the progressive scan mode on? There's nothing on the packaging indicating that a movie or DVD is 'progressive compatible'.....
I understand the concept behind progressive scan (as opposed to interlaced), but how are users/consumers supposed to know when to turn progressive scan on or off?

TIA!!

[Krispy Kritter]

Most people leave it on or off...not switch between modes. If your TV supports, there is no reason to turn it off.

I wouldn't expect this to be DVD related, at least not a DVD defect. This sounds like your DVD player has trouble performing progressive scan. Maybe one movie has a higher bit rate than the other and your player is having trouble processing all the data in progressive mode.

[Xylob the Destroyer]

damn, i didn't think anybody was gonna reply
i usually leave it on, but have noticed that some DVD's just look like crap with it on
The Incredibles certainly doesn't look good, but the Friends DVD's look horrible with it turned on....

It definitely isn't a top of the line player, is there anything I can do to 'fix' it? There really isn't anything in the settings menu's regarding progressive scan

[edDV]

I have a Sony DVP-NS725P progressive scan player https://www.videohelp.com/dvdplayers.php?DVDname=dvp-ns725p&Submit=Search&Search=Search...y=Name&hits=25 and a Sony KV-36HS420 HD-ready TV/monitor. The player is connected to the TV via RGB connection.
Last nite I watched "The Incredibles" utilizing the player's progressive scan mode and throughout, noticed bad 'jaggies' -- scanlines.
When I watched all 3 of the Lord of the Rings movies using the progressive scan mode, the picture was BEAUTIFUL - practically flawless.
When "The Incredibles" was over, I went back to some of the scenes that I noticed the 'jaggies' were worst and switched between the various progressive modes the player offers and found that the picture was vastly improved when I turned the progressive feature OFF.

How are you supposed to know which discs/movies to use the progressive scan mode on? There's nothing on the packaging indicating that a movie or DVD is 'progressive compatible'.....
I understand the concept behind progressive scan (as opposed to interlaced), but how are users/consumers supposed to know when to turn progressive scan on or off?

TIA!!

Something dosen't make sense to me here.
The Sony DVP-NS725P does not support RGB out. It does have Y, Pb, Pr.
What is the HD ready TV?

I suspect you are plugged into interlace Y, Pb, Pr inputs and not the "wideband progressive" Y, Pb, Pr inputs if your monitor has them. Or you have not setup the DVD player or TV for a progressive source.


PS: OK it's a KV36HS420 which has two Y, Pb, Pr inputs but I have no info whether which or both support progressive input.

Define your DVD Player a TV configurations.

[Xylob the Destroyer]

I meant component video, not RGB.
the TV is a Sony KV-36HS420 HD-ready tv --> http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/SY_DisplayProduc...4%22to36%22TVs

[edDV]

Define your DVD Player a TV configurations.

It's best to configure the DVD player for progressive. Use TV deinterlacer as second choice. It can't be as good.

If the "Lord of the Rings" is an original disc and plays well, then the system is probably set correctly.

The other DVD may contain errors.

[Xylob the Destroyer]

I'm not sure I follow...
I have the DVD player connected to the TV's input #5 via component video cables.

The TV's "16:9 Enhanced:" mode is set to "Auto"

The DVD player's settings:
TV TYPE is set to 4:3 LETTER BOX

there are no other settings for either device that would pertain to this....
the only other settings on the DVD player are to turn the screensaver on or off; to show the disc's jacket picture during pause; "BLACK LEVEL" on or off; and miscellaneous auto-play, audio, and OSD settings.

the only other settings for the TV are "Screen Mode:" which is "...useful when a 480i signal has been upconverted to a 720p or 1080i signal, which results in undesirable "black bars" appearing on all four sides of the picture. ...", which is not the case here.

[Xylob the Destroyer]

ah, you edited your response while i was posting mine...
both discs (LotR & Incredibles) are the original pressed retail disc
BUT, i watched a rented copy of The Incredibles when I noticed this issue.
I have since bought the movie and the 'problem' remains.

[dickkwikkwek]

The TV's "16:9 Enhanced:" mode is set to "Auto"

The DVD player's settings:
TV TYPE is set to 4:3 LETTER BOX

Try setting the DVD player TV TYPE at 16:9. And on your TV make it "squish" the image so you got a good aspect ratio. It worked for me in the past when i had a 4:3 TV.

[Xylob the Destroyer]

OK, I'm noticing this with the PlayStation2 as well
I have my PS2 connected via the Sony component video cable
Tekken 5 & Mortal Komtat Deception both have a progressive scan mode
Tekken 5 looks GORGEOUS in progressive scan
Mortal Kombat looks like complete ass in progressive scan.....

[soloredd]

Hey, Xylob, I'm having the same "issue" as you. I have a 26" Samsung widescreen HDTV built-in connected to my Pioneer DVD 220-s with component cables (on component input #2, my HD cable is connected on component #1). I have my DVD player settings set to 16x9 TV type, progressive scan and my TV settings are untouched (there's not much to change).

What I have noticed is most animated films (Incredibles, Toy Story, etc.) show those lines more noticeably than, say a "live" movie. Just like you, LotR looks fabulous on progressive. One thing I did notice while watching Toy Story 2 was that the lines went away. It was only at the first few minutes were the lines visible. I also noticed this with The Incredibles. There are certain spots in the movie where they appear, but it's only for a few seconds. These are all retail DVDs I am comparing...so it is quite possible the source is the culprit.

And for the PS2 issue, I can't say for sure what the problem is there either. Is Mortal Kombat progressive-scan capable? Do you have your PS2 set to 16x9 mode in the settings? Good luck man, let me know if you figure anything out.

[Xylob the Destroyer]

yeh, Mortal Kombat & Tekken both have an option in the setup menus to turn on Progressive Scan mode
I don't have the PS2 set to 16:9 because my TV is 4:3 and although I prefer movies in 16:9, I think games suffer in this 'mode'

[dinobike]

Here´s some information about progressive scan dvd players that might be useful:

http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/cgi-bin/shootout.cgi?function=search&articles=121

[trueg]

With the 36HS420 you can set everything to 16:9 mode. Then set your TV to 16:9 enhanced mode. You can try leaving it on AUTO 16:9 enhanced mode, but if everyone looks really tall & skinny, then manually set it to 16:9 enhanced. Anyway, 16:9 enhanced mode uses vertical compression so that you get full resolution 16:9. You want your DVD player to think you have a 16:9 TV or else it will letterbox everything for you and send it as 4:3 480i (which your TV will try and upconvert to 960i or 480p). With your DVD player set to 16:9 and your TV set to 16:9 enhanced you will get full resolution, progressive 16:9 video which will look as good and will be less than an inch smaller than a 34" Widescreen HDTV (you get 33.04" with the 36HS420 to be exact). =)

[edDV]

Most HD sets have both componet analog 480i only inputs (4:3 or 16:9 modes) and wideband component analog inputs that will accept 480p, 1080i and sometimes 720p. Your progressive DVD player should be plugged into the 480p input and set to 480p (progressive) mode for progresssive playback.

The 480i inputs require the DVD player to be in interlaced mode. The TV set will then use its internal deinterlacer to attempt a deinterlace and then rescale to the set's native resolution. This is the less desirsble choice and will never work as well as true 480p in.