Toast 5.2.3 Refuses to Burn large files and just freezes....

[kakadu]

I thought i had resolved the problem but it has returned..
I think i have narrowed it down to when the file is over say 200MB then it refuses to go ahead and burn the disk........
I wonder what can it be?
Howdy i have just installed an NEC 3520A DVD Burner into my G3 Beige with a G4 533Mhz upgrade chip....768Mb Memory....16X NEC DVD Burner using Patch Burn...
Toast 5.2.3 recognises everything just fine and reads everything i throw in it..
But when i try and Burn a DVD or CD, Toast starts the burn gets to the first 5 seconds of the burn then just refuses to go any further..It is like it freezes up..
Then i have to reboot my machine just to eject the disk..
What a pain in the a..e!!!!!
Also Disk Copy doesn't recognise my DVD Burner but it does recognise my External CD-RW...
Any suggestions..

Thanx

[terryj]

Ok, let's dissect this:

1. You are trying to burn a DVD or CD in Toast 5.23 on
a biege G3 mac.

Solution: after an initital reaction of the Nelson laugh
(ha!ha!), my thoughts are this:
You do not have enough Hard Disc space for toast's
buffering to create the disc, but then I remembered
that Toast 5.23 uses ram, and doesn't create a
temporary build folder like Toast 6 ( Roxio Converted Items),
which would point why if you have a small HD, then
trying to master a large file/folder, of say 600MB,
then you would need at least 3 times that ( 1.5GB)
to allow Toast to properly do its "creation" of the disc,
so then it seems like there is more of an instructional
problem with getting data through your ATA 33mhz cable...

2. You are trying to do this off of a third party burner
installed internally on a 33mhz ATA bus.

Solution:
Folly as it is, you could check to make sure the drive
is set to Cable Select, not master or slave.

3. Disc Copy will not recognize the internal burner,
due to the fact that it does not have the proper
vendor strings, because the NEC 3520 is too brand new
for your OS.

solution: Get Patchburn 3, and install it and then check
Apple System Profiler to make sure the internal drive says
"Vendor Supported."

[Frobozz]

Terryj's suggestions are good. Try connecting the drive to the other ATA connector on the logic board. Also, do check that you have the master/slave setting correct if you have two devices connected to the same bus.

[kakadu]

OK so i tried everything is was suggested but it still freezes and refuses to burn past the first few seconds..
I swapped around ATA cables, tried Cable Select, Master etc...
I at a loss..Cld this NEC burner require ATA/100 min etc?
The burner is on the cable by itself....so master/slave issue i think are existent.
Disk Copy and iTunes all recognise the drive and System Profiler does also..I patched it with PatchBurn for 10.2.8.........
I thinking maybe Toast 6 but i'm not sure how that wld change anything..
Anyway i am at a loss..

thanx

[terryj]

Quite possibly...I'm not up on Nec's standards,
but Pioneer's quite plainly state for the DVR-109,
you need ATA/66 or higher....

Easy way to test, go get a copy of Toast 6
and try it and see, at worst nothing changes
and you got a great quality app for muxing
short video clips ( mpg-1, m2v).

[kakadu]

NEC states that the : ND-3520A

Interface IDE/ATAPI (Ultra DMA33 compatible)...

So now i have no clue..

I purchased Toast 6.1 today and installed it and still the same problems...

Can i make my ATA Interface a 66/100 with any major changes?

Thanx

[Frobozz]

It would be cheaper to put the drive in a Firewire case and install a Firewire PCI card than to upgrade tha ATA bus.

My experience with Toast is that it will stall when it can't read or encode a file. I believe this also can happen with cheap media that the drive doesn't like. You say it burns about 200 MB to a disc (is this either to CD-R or to DVD-R) and then stalls. Have you tested this with different media, different files and different burn settings?

[willrob]

You can often find ATA-100 PCI cards fairly cheap. Firewire might be cheaper though. Do you have a second drive connector on the cable your hard disk uses? Some folks have gotten the pioneer 109 to more reliably burn at 16 X (or closer to it) by taking it off the slower optical bus and putting it on the ATA-100 or ATA-66 bus that the hard drives use ( and doing all the master-slave mumbo jumbo).