... and it tastes like Chicken..

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I have full sized photos if anyone is interested. Bon Appetite!!
Excuse the rough cut'n'paste.

[Shadow57]

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[BJ_M]

i dont see the problem here --

[Shadow57]

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[Craig Tucker]

Whats with the blowtorch

[offline]

Burns the hair off. Then you wash it and scrub it.
Same deal with pork / rabbit etc. Allows you to keep the skin
and it goes extra crispy when fried and you don't have to
pre-marinate & hang the animal as you do duck or chook.

[zzyzzx]

1. I don't eat chicken.
2. I see nothing wrong with eating rats.

[canadateck]

Same happend in the back of a resturant in Montreal , but it was Cats.I quess if you dont know..... it cant hurt you.

[BJ_M]

Recipes of the World - Guangzhou, China: Giant Rat Soup (Good Cure for SARS)

Ingredients:
Must have giant river front rat. Very important. Little rat not do. Make sure you get a live one or crafty vendor will try to sell you small dog if you not careful. I always kill my own. Even have special hammer handed down from revered ancestors. Skin rat and cut off tail. Save tail. I know it seems wasteful but you must take out innards and throw away over left shoulder. Very lucky. You will need about 10 qian salt, 5 qian black pepper, a lock of hair of the sick person, cut fine, Lotus root, Bok Choy, Daikon, and 3 or 4 of the American made Smith Brothers' Cough Drops if you can get them (cherry flavor is best).

Preparation:
You will need at least 20 sheng of water to cook this so make sure it does not stink already. Put rat carcass in pot. Cut up rat tail into small pieces and add to pot. Bring to boil adding spices and let cook for 2 hours. Go and do laundry or till field. Next add vegetables and let cook for another 30 minutes. Serve to patient every time he throw up.

[canadateck]

Serve to patient every time he throw up.

[Craig Tucker]

Burns the hair off. Then you wash it and scrub it.
Same deal with pork / rabbit etc. Allows you to keep the skin
and it goes extra crispy when fried and you don't have to
pre-marinate & hang the animal as you do duck or chook.

Nice

[the bomb]

Wasn't the Chow original used for food in China

[BJ_M]

not the chow dog , no .. they were royal dogs i believe ...


but everything else goes and if one of those got loose -- lets just say - no need of dog catchers there ..

[the bomb]

I must have heard wrong.

[BJ_M]

i could be wrong also -- i just remember reading that somewhere

[the bomb]

I heard or read, I don't remember which, that at one time they were raised like cattle but they realized they were smarter then they thought. So they made them royal dogs like you said.

[BJ_M]

well DNA shows that dogs were first domesticated in eastern Asia about 100,000 years ago .. they were used for pack animals and hunting ...


when people first came to the new world about 12,000 years ago (some say 15,000) - they brought these dogs with them for the same reason (horses did not exist in N. America at that point) .. this has been proven to be that all dogs DNA is from the eastern Asian wolf , NOT the north American wolf (except huskys which are a different DNA) ..

When did the association between humans and dogs begin? By the time humans arrived in the New World, the diversity of dogs was already substantial and dogs were spread across Eurasia.

"This suggests a very long coexistence of humans and dogs," Previous genetic analysis support this conclusion and have suggested that this association could have lasted tens of thousands of years. Dogs have been living in close association with humans much longer than any other domestic animal or plant species."

Although New and Old World dogs are descended from the same Old World wolf ancestor, the DNA sequences from ancient American dogs are slightly different from their modern counterparts.

"Consequently, these data suggest Native American dogs have not genetically contributed to modern dog breeds," according to the UCLA biology professor Robert K. Wayne, "DNA sequences from hundreds of dogs from dozens of modern breeds from throughout the world do not show traces of American ancestry. Native dogs may still have living descendants in some unsampled New World population, but their absence for a large sample of modern dogs reinforces the dramatic impact that the arrival of Europeans had on native cultures."

The new molecular genetic analysis suggests that the majority of the living dog gene pool does not contain any ancestry from these long isolated Native American dogs, Wayne said.

"This implies selective breeding, either intentional — where European colonists forcefully discouraged the breeding of native dogs, as they did with other aspects of native culture — or dogs of European origin may simply have been considered more desirable; both scenarios may have occurred in different regions. There was not wide-scale interbreeding of European and native American dogs; native American breeds did not persist into the modern dog gene pool."




What this shows is that dogs were HIGHLY regarded as a working and companionship animal - not as a food animal (non of which were brought to the new world) .. at least at first ...

This means that the period of time that dogs were first used as food must be fairly recent ... in the whole of history - so i looked it up .. but the answer is murky:

There are roughly seven countries, including Vietnam and China, that eat dogs, but Korea is the only country that produces and eats dog meat on a large scale, farm-bred and with modern technology. More than two million dogs are killed there per year.

The practice came from China in the 14-10th century BC ... this is the same period as many other animals were added to the so called "sex aid ' lists ... rhino horn , bear parts, monkey parts , bull parts - etc ... pretty well parts of all animals were to aid in sex and dog soup was on the list.. some of these traditions go back to much older traditions before any recorded history .. before that - not much was found in proof that dogs were used as food - basicly when going from a hunter gatherer way of life to a settler grower - dogs lost a lot of importance (in the new world - they stayed in the nessessary to survive class an as such - were not normally considered a food source in normal conditions) ..



The origin of the Chow Chow is a bit of a mystery, there seems to be little doubt that they are closely related to other spitz dogs; in fact, it is widely thought that the spitz breeds are descended from the Chow Chow. They probably came from Mongolia and Manchuria, where their meat was once a delicacy and their fur was used for clothing, then introduced to China. Some historians have found evidence of them occurring in the 11th century BC. Centuries ago they were used to guard the temples against evil spirits. The Chow was also used as a hunting dog by the aristocrats, a guard dog against intruders, sled and cart pullers and as watchdogs. The Chow Chow first arrived in Britain in 1780.

[the bomb]

Dog Soup



It doesn't say for certain it was the Chow, I guess they don't know for sure.
Very interesting, Thank You

[offline]

I've eaten Dog and I've eaten Cat. No big deal except
the Cat was tough and I could only stomach 1 bite - strangely darker flesh than you would expect.

As to BJ_M's research, it is speculated by some that
dogs domesticated man rather than the other way
around. There are some interesting theories about this.

[Roundabout]

Mmmmm Rat...... :P

I was watching National Geo Channel last nite, and on a show called "Taboo", people were eating rats in Africa. They had to hunt them down in the woods for hours to find them, usually hiding in abandoned termite mounds. The one they caught was over 6 pounds, making a great meal for many people in their clan. They showed how it was prepared, burning off the hair, slicing and dicing...yum.

Then the show went to Taiwan, where they had a famous cook there shopping in the local market for Bull Penis. He found some fresh ones, over 3 ft (!) long, brought them back to his kitchen for prep. It was served as a delicacy at a state dinner for some high muckety-mucks of the country...even some women there, ate it and loved it. (no comment )

I finished watching the show, and when my wife came home from work, I told here we're gonna become vegetarians...

[the bomb]

Veggies sound good to me right now too!

[offline]

hmmm... nettle soup with cactus pie .. yum

[bazooka]

hmmm... nettle soup with cactus pie .. yum

[MackemX]

I guess octopus is about the strangest thing I've eaten. There's no way I'd eat any of the above ick:

[offline]

The worst thing I've ever tasted (besides the time I got
bad food poisoning) was lightly boiled jellyfish.

It tasted like firm snot with crunchy bits....errk

[the bomb]

Oh Yuck!

[BJ_M]

that beats my live turtle soup and almost live raw frogs and monkey brains ... all at once ...

ive eaten some real weird stuff in Vietnam and China, but boiled jellyfish takes the cake ..

[the bomb]

I think I'm going to be sick

[offline]

Ah no.. I can't eat fresh turtle. The smell and all those
liquidy guts. No I think you win on that one BJ_M.

Jellyfish is quite common in Northern China. It is
not a tourist thing either (like snakes blood in
Thailand or 1000 year old eggs in Vietnam).

I've never been to mainland Japan so never have had
puffer fish. I hear its expensive. I would like to
try it.

[stiltman]

I've never been to mainland Japan so never have had
puffer fish. I hear its expensive. I would like to
try it.

Not worth the money....tastes like flounder

Toro is better spent money