Burning Question

[Turk]

Hello all

I've tried to read as many threads about burning VCD's to play on home DVD players, but maybe I'm to dense to understand. A little background.

I've got an Oritron DVD 650 player, and according to your DVD player list, it should play CD-R/CD-RW, VCD's, SVCD's, and Mp3's. Now it has no problem playing Mp3's, its everything else.

I've gotten a couple of movies after extracting ends up being a BIN/CUE. I take these BIN/CUE's and burn them using CDRWin, Nero, or FireBurner, but the results are always the same. NOTHING! When I try and play them in the player I get the error message: No Valid CD. I've tried playing the CD's in my systems DVD player, and its like there's nothing in the player.

What am I doing wrong?

[VCDsMakeMoney]

Why dont you try extracting the VOB's then converting them to MPEG 1 VCD THEN burning them.Im sure that will work.Ive never done the Bin/cue on movie files so I cant help you there.

[Hansiman]

What is important, is to know what you're burning. Is it SVCD or VCD ? I only know of VCDimager to create CUEsheet and BIN-file. But, that's only for VCD(Mpeg1) NOT SVCD(Mpeg2). If you're trying to create a SVCD disc with VCDimager, you're barking up the wrong tree.

Greetz,
Hans.

[Turk]

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On 2001-12-02 07:46:55, VCDsMakeMoney wrote:
Why dont you try extracting the VOB's then converting them to MPEG 1 VCD THEN burning them....</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></TD></TR><TR><TD><HR size=1 color=black></TD></TR></TABLE>

Makes perfect sense what you're saying, but I don't have a clue about doing it....lol

When I peer into the BIN/CUE file using ISO Buster, I see a sort of tree structure:

VideoCD
CDI
EXT
MPEGAV
SEGMENT
VCD

So I'm assuming what I have is a VCD. Now I've used the program VCDGear to convert the BIN/CUE to .mpg, but I'm not sure that's what you're talking about. And if it is, the output still doesn't play on my home DVD system.

So maybe you can point me to a tutorial that'll show me how to convert to MPEG 1 VCD?

TIA

[Turk]

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On 2001-12-02 10:19:03, Hansiman wrote:
What is important, is to know what you're burning. Is it SVCD or VCD?...

Greetz,
Hans.</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></TD></TR><TR><TD><HR size=1 color=black></TD></TR></TABLE>

Thanks Hans for your reply, and the only way I can answer your initial question is to list what I come up with when I peer into the BIN/CUE with ISO Buster. Now I end up with a tree structure:

VideoCD
CDI
EXT
MPEGAV
SEGMENT
VCD

I assume from the info above, I've got a VCD file? And again, all I'm trying to do is somehow get the contents
onto a CD and play it on my home DVD system, that's supposedly compatible.

So, hopefully with this info, you'll be able to instruct me on how to accomplish my goal.

TIA

[dumwaldo]

what you have is a VCD, if it were SVCD there would be a different file structure. place your burned cd into your computer and navigate to the mpegav folder and play the dat file in windows media player. if it plays in windows media player then your VCD is correct. chances are your vcd is PAL and your player is NTSC (or vice versa) in which case you would need a reigon hack to change the reigon code on your dvd player or you need to reencode the mpg to the correct specifications. i have noticed all the movies from centropy (they have ctp in the title) have been in PAL as of late and it seems to be causeing some people problems.
if you need to know the difference between PAL and NTSC so you can identify if this is the situation just click to the left where it says "what is VCD" and it explains both formats.

[Hansiman]

Correct. With the stucture you mention, you have VCD.
What I suggest you do, is copy the *.dat file in the MPEGAV directory to your harddrive. Usually, when there is only one film on the VCD it's called AVSEQ1.DAT.
Open Nero or any other program capable of burning vcd's. Drag the *.dat file into the MPEGAV directory of your new vcd. Burn, baby burn. And it should be playable on your standalone. Only problem I've had, was the vcd's created with WinonCD 3.6 to 3.8 were readable on my pc. But, a prog like Powerdvd was not able to play them and my standalone was.

Greetz,
Hans.

[suriyan]

Did you check if the VCD from which you made the BIN/CUe worked on the standalone player ? If it did, just use clonecd, to make copies.

[PcJockey]

OK, We all understand how difficult thing can be when your just starting out. An idiot way of burning your file.
1 convert file format is mpg using vcdgear simple enough
2 download dvd ulead movie factory, about 30 Mb no problem if you have cable useable for a 30 day trial.
3 find out the properties using this it will even tell you what bit rate your audio is and your video and what size the picture is 352 by 288 is pal for europe
then use this prog to convert format to what you want svcd vcd xvcd etc
4 wait
5 wait
6 burn resulting mpg to nero, try changing the vcd compatability options on the vcd tab dont use wizard and set iso to level 1

thats as simple as i can make it

[Turk]

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On 2001-12-03 11:27:07, suriyan wrote:
Did you check if the VCD from which you made the BIN/CUe worked on the standalone player ?...</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></TD></TR><TR><TD><HR size=1 color=black></TD></TR></TABLE>

Thanks suriyan for your reply.

I received the movie in the RaR format. After decompression, I end up with the BIN/CUE file.

[Turk]

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On 2001-12-03 11:16:36, Hansiman wrote:
Correct. With the stucture you mention, you have VCD.
What I suggest you do, is copy the *.dat file in the MPEGAV directory to your harddrive. Usually, when there is only one film on the VCD it's called AVSEQ1.DAT.
Open Nero or any other program capable of burning vcd's. Drag the *.dat file into the MPEGAV directory of your new vcd. Burn, baby burn....

Greetz,
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Well Hans, I followed your instructions to the letter, and it still won't play on my home DVD player. But this wasn't a complete disaster, at least with a little manipulation, I can play the movie on a system DVD player.

I can't believe this is this HARD.

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[mijman]

Keep in mind, too, that just because a standalone plays VCDs, doesn't always mean that they play BURNT VCDs. A friend of mine ran into this recently. A .bin or .Cue file usually denotes a SVCD, doesn't it? I thought VCD files were always .dat after burning.

[Turk]

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On 2001-12-03 12:30:06, PcJockey wrote:
OK, We all understand how difficult thing can be when your just starting out. An idiot way of burning your file.
1 convert file format is mpg using vcdgear simple enough
1A DONE

2 download dvd ulead movie factory, about 30 Mb no problem if you have cable useable for a 30 day trial.
2A DONE

3 find out the properties using this it will even tell you what bit rate your audio is and your video and what size the picture is 352 by 288 is pal for europe
then use this prog to convert format to what you want svcd vcd xvcd etc
3A Well, this is where we run into trouble. The program seems simple enough. Clicking "Step 1", looks for the image, and the operative word is image. Because I converted to .mpg, it doesn't see an image. Clicking "All formats" does nothing. So I'm stuck again....

Apparently, I'm an idiot....<g>

[Turk]

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On 2001-12-03 04:27:00, dumwaldo wrote:
what you have is a VCD, if it were SVCD there would be a different file structure. place your burned cd into your computer and navigate to the mpegav folder and play the dat file in windows media player. if it plays in windows media player then your VCD is correct....

Plays perfectly

....chances are your vcd is PAL and your player is NTSC (or vice versa)....

How would I determine whether the VCD is PAL or NTSC?

....in which case you would need a reigon hack to change the reigon code on your dvd player....

I read about this on my players spec page on this site. Not sure whether it explained how its done?

....or you need to reencode the mpg to the correct specifications....

And how would I do this?

....i have noticed all the movies from centropy (they have ctp in the title) have been in PAL as of late....

This is exactly the file prefix of both the RaR and BIN/CUE.

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[suriyan]

Download Virtual Daemon. Use it to mount your bin/cue file as a virtual drive. Now, if you have a software vcd player see if it plays from the virtual drive. Lets first find out if the bin/cue file you have is good.

Another thing you can do is, open the mpegav directory of the virtual drive and try playing say avseq01.dat in mediaplayer.

[hamambocegi]

kolay gelsin

[dumwaldo]

Greetings Turk,

"How would I determine whether the VCD is PAL or NTSC?"
since it does play on your computer just start it playing in windows media player and right click the play screen then select properties. on the details it says a size, if the size is 352x240 then it is NTSC, if it is 352x288 then it is PAL.

"I read about this on my players spec page on this site. Not sure whether it explained how its done?"
first follow these steps to insure VCD playback is turned on.

VCD Enablement:
(with music CD loaded)
STOP
MENU
1
INDEX
OPEN
(then specify to enable or disable VCD playback)

then once you have verified that VCD playback is on you can try different reigons with these steps.

Region Enablement:
(with NO disc in player)
MENU
1
6
7
(then specify the region code 1 through 6, or MUTE for region 0)

this is a list of the specific reigons...
1: U.S., Canada, U.S. Territories
2: Japan, Europe, South Africa, and Middle East (including Egypt)
3: Southeast Asia and East Asia (including Hong Kong)
4: Australia, New Zealand, Pacific Islands, Central America, Mexico, South America, and the Caribbean
5: Eastern Europe (Former Soviet Union), Indian subcontinent, Africa, North Korea, and Mongolia
6: China



the option of re-encoding inso NTSC standard is a slow process and will probably take as much as 10 hours or more to convert the video. you can convert the bin file to a mpg file using VCDGear (use this one, http://www.vcdhelp.com/vcdgeargui.htm because everything on VCDGear.com is shit). there is a guide to using TMPGEnc located here... http://www.vcdhelp.com/tmpgenc.htm that should guide you through the process should you choose to try it. make sure to select the NTSC template in step 2 and DO NOT use the NTSC Film template.

[Turk]

First of all, I'd like to thank the forum and its members for all the help over the last week. You guys are really great, and this stuff is hard....<g>

But I got some disheartening news today. I decided to call the manufacturer of my DVD player, to find out why I'm having problems getting the player to play VCD's. Well, I was told that my player was not designed to play VCD's. What a shock that was to hear. After all this time and effort to find out it didn't matter what I did it wasn't going to work.

Then the Rep said something really strange. He'd heard, "If you can burn the VCD in a way that would fool the player into thinking it was a DVD, it would probably work." Now of course he didn't have this workaround, but some coustomers had got it to work.

Anybody have any ideas on how to do this?