DVD+R or DVD-R ? Are they the same for DVD?

[MikeZ2]

Not sure this question has been asked before.

I am not sure the buy DVD+R or DVD-R to burn DVD, price is the same.

Are they having the same video quality? or just different format for burner?

Thanks for sharing your experiences.

Mike

[HatchetMan]

You joined 01 Jul 2003 and you're "Not sure this question has been asked before." ???

[MikeZ2]

I just returned to this forum last month.
Mike

[DVDDave]

GUIDES ARE TO THE LEFT.

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[AlecWest]

I just returned to this forum last month.
Mike

I'm like you ... I joined way back when I got involved in VCD creation ... then disappeared into the ether ... only to reappear when I got involved in DVD creation.

The answer to your question is simple if you are only burning DVDs for yourself. Answer? Buy, say, five or six DVD-Rs and five or six DVD+Rs. Burn five or six backups ... one to each format. Then, play them on your player and choose the format your player seems to like best. Truth is, some players like "+" more than "-" ... some players prefer the opposite ... and some players don't care either way.

My Apex AD-1100W doesn't care. But, I tend to buy "-" disks since they seem more plentiful and store a teensy bit more data than a "+" disk.

[dsquorpion]

i've been burning for a while i started with a panasonic lfd 310 at 1x then upgraded to a pioneer 108 excellent drive with dual format, i have had excellent luck with -R the ritek go5, 40-45 cents a piece from newegg or meritline,

i've read that -R play in 90% of the players
and +R play in 89% of players you just have to try and see

if u want to play both then go with a pioneer player, they will play a waffle if it had data on it

[Nilfennasion]

+R is not supported by the DVD Consortium. Ergo, it is +R all the way as far as I am concerned.

[Noahtuck]

if u want to play both then go with a pioneer player, they will play a waffle if it had data on it

[Skith]

www.rima.com sells "sample packs." Get one, and see what works.

Successful play back variables:

DVD-Writer (manufacturer)
The above drive's Firmware
The media (manufacturer, not brand).
The player.

Older players may not work well with +R media. -R has higher compatibility *unless* the +R disc is bitset to DVD-ROM during the burn process. Then they are about equal.

Quality wise: DVD-R and +R should have ZERO differences (digital data is just a bunch of 0's and 1s). This is assuming that quality media is used. Poor quality discs exist for both + and - media. Avoid no-name "generic brands." Avoid media "Made in Hong Kong". Avoid Memorex (they don't make discs, they just sell discs from a number of manufacturers, you never know what you will get). Many people suggest looking for media "Made in Japan" such as Sony, TDK, Fuji, Plextor, Maxell, Taiyo Yuden (blanktop - from online shops, be careful of fakes) www.rima.com is highly recommended if you are in the US.

Some people have good success with Verbatim (I am not one of them).

[lordsmurf]

if u want to play both then go with a pioneer player, they will play a waffle if it had data on it

Could not disagree more. Pioneer is known to have trouble on homemade audio, especially AC3. Yes, even when authored properly.


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This is a simple question.
DVD-R is slightly more compatible thatn DVD+R.
But if your player plays both, no worries.

[Topher5000]

I've been searching, but I can't see how to set the bookmark (or bitset) in Nero. I've got v.6.6.0.1 & a Pioneer DVR-108. Can anybody help?

[Skith]

You would have to flash your Pioneer with the PIO Data firmware. I don't know which one, but there have been several posts, so try a search.

Once you have a bitsetting capable firmware, you could (probably) use CDDVDSpeed to set the booktype. DVDinfopro might also work. Sorry, I am not to familiar with Pioneer drives (I'm a NEC user).

[AlecWest]

+R is not supported by the DVD Consortium. Ergo, it is +R all the way as far as I am concerned.

So, you use a format not supported by the DVD consortium by choice?

[Topher5000]

Skith, I flashed it with Gradius' 1.18 firmware, & my understanding is this is based on Piodata's firmware, so I should be ok for bitsetting. I didn't know I had to use special software to set it, I thought it was a setting in Nero. Thanks for the info.
Then again, it's just so I could try to get +Rs to play on my Panny CP67. Maybe I should just try -Rs.

[HatchetMan]

Skith, I flashed it with Gradius' 1.18 firmware, & my understanding is this is based on Piodata's firmware, so I should be ok for bitsetting. I didn't know I had to use special software to set it, I thought it was a setting in Nero. Thanks for the info.
Then again, it's just so I could try to get +Rs to play on my Panny CP67. Maybe I should just try -Rs.

[Off Topic] If you flashed using that firmware with the Piodata kernel too, then there is no way to set the booktype, no software needed, it will bitset DVD+R to DVD-ROM by default and leave DVD-R as DVD-R. Check with dvdinfopro or similar program to make sure the drive shows up as a Piodata. [/Off Topic]

[Noahtuck]

if u want to play both then go with a pioneer player, they will play a waffle if it had data on it

Could not disagree more. Pioneer is known to have trouble on homemade audio, especially AC3. Yes, even when authored properly.

Say's who ??
I have always considered you one of the "higher authorities" here in the 4 years i have been roaming around, but i will totaly have to disagree with your disagreement

Yes, even when authored properly.

That right there is just crazy to me....
I have 3 pioneer dvd players including a DVL-700 with optical & coaxial digital outputs manufactured in 1997 and they all play flawlessly any dvd+r & dvd-r i have ever thrown into them regardless of what program it was authored with or burnt with 8) and im pretty sure people were not burning dvdr's back in 97 ??
So i will always go for a pioneer over anything, except for the fact they usually don't have pal-ntsc conversion off the shelf.

[Nilfennasion]

So, you use a format not supported by the DVD consortium by choice?

That is correct. My experiences with one part of the Australian branch of the distribution channel were very positive. On the other hand, the attitude displayed by the rest has generally led me to the conclusion that they want to specify everything I can do with my computer and what I can use to do it with, and I am obligated to give them the finger. Add to that the fact that Toshiba still insists on making -R-only players here, on top of their "no black bars is good" insulting ad campaign, and really, you'd need to change the world drastically to convince me to go back to -R for personal use.

[smearbrick1]

if u want to play both then go with a pioneer player, they will play a waffle if it had data on it

:agree: :punk:

Could not disagree more. Pioneer is known to have trouble on homemade audio, especially AC3. Yes, even when authored properly.

Say's who ?? :shock:
I have always considered you one of the "higher authorities" here in the 4 years i have been roaming around, but i will totaly have to disagree with your disagreement :wink:

Yes, even when authored properly.

:?
That right there is just crazy to me....
I have 3 pioneer dvd players including a DVL-700 with optical & coaxial digital outputs manufactured in 1997 and they all play flawlessly any dvd+r & dvd-r i have ever thrown into them regardless of what program it was authored with or burnt with 8) and im pretty sure people were not burning dvdr's back in 97 ??
So i will always go for a pioneer over anything, except for the fact they usually don't have pal-ntsc conversion off the shelf.

I believe what LordSmurf was referring to is using something Besweet to create your AC-3 audio. In that sense, I would totally agree with LS. Pioneer players and Besweet do not get along. I have a 434 that plays everything but AC-3 from Besweet... The only other issue I have with my Pioneer is that it does not handle mp2 audio when authored as a dvd. Mp2 works fine when it is used in conjunction with SVCD or VCD, just not DVD. Of course, to avoid this, I convert the audio to either PCM uncompressed (if the project allows) or use the AC-3 plugin in Vegas DVD Architect (that works swimmingly).

[lordsmurf]

Besweet is just one. Several others do it too, INCLUDING certified encoders. I forgot which ones, it's been a while since I had to mess with one of those beasts. Just hateful little players.

The MP2 problem is allowable (MP2 is not official spec), but not very convenient since most others can play MP2 just fine.