TY scan worse than Naked Geek

[NickSaunders]

Well, after about 2 years of burning and more than 2000 DVD-Rs (mostly TY) under my belt, I opened my first of 2 50 packs of +Rs I bought about about 2 months ago from Best Buy (Fuji 8x DVD+R YUDEN000T02). It was a deal too good to pass up (especially with the rebate which I never received but that is beside the point). One coaster after another. I have now burned 5 from the first 50 and 5 from the second 50...all coasters. I used my Lite-On 832 SOHW and my 411s as well as my old NEC that I retired. BTW, Lite-On is supposed to be "+" friendly although I have never had cause to complain about my success rate with TY "-"s. Look at this scan (they all are about the same). Unbelieveable.

[hinghing1113]

Can you scan the PI/PIF and let us see
by the way, it's seem not good, max speed only about 6x and take 15 min to finish.....

Man, i got a lot of TY002 ..and burned about 50-70....
Hoping it's not going to happen to my disc....

[NickSaunders]

I will run K-probe on them tomorrow as I have got to get some sleep now. Here is the media code though.

[lordsmurf]

DING DING DING

Congratulations.
You just won the "comparison of the year" award.

Winning phrase: "worse than Naked Geek"

[Skith]

Check the recording side of those discs, you might see little white specs. This happend to me with some Fuji Packs, the first 5-6 on the top of the spindles had these flaws. Once you go down a few more discs the problem dissapeared.

Sad waste of discs, but at least it should only be a few out of the whole spindle. There was a thread about this over at http://club.cdfreaks.com

[NickSaunders]

Thanks for the heads up on the discussion over at cdfreaks. Sounds about right as I bought them around the same time the other folks did. BTW...I do not see any abnormalities in the burned surface area. It looks like any other TY.

And here (drumroll please) is the K-Probe results...Disgusting!!

[Gen-An]

VS04 is pretty old firmware. Why not try VS0E?

[lordsmurf]

Scans are worthless, done alone.
Can you watch this DVD? Does the data appear?
How is a Nero CD DVD Speed scandisc? Read test?

Don't get a hard-on for kprobe.

[steve2713]

That is a terrible scan, you should try playing it back before you conclude it is a bad burn. I used to use my LiteOn DVD-ROM for my PI/PO tests, it was very accurate to what was a good and what was a bad burn when testing on my NEC 1300 discs. However, for some unknown reason, it gave false numbers when it tested my NEC 2500 +R burns (with DVD-ROM booktype). It would give terrible test results on +R burns from that drive, but normal tests from -R burns from the same drive, really weird. It probably had something to do with it being a DVD-ROM and not a burner and just not being that good at testing discs, but I thought it worth mentioning.

Don't get a hard-on for kprobe.

I agree with your point that his scan may not necessarily be telling him the 'truth' of the burn quality, but, particularly as a mod, your wording seems a bit harsh

[lordsmurf]

Truth can often be harsh.
No need to dance around words to coddle people's feelings.
Just give them the straight answer. Short and sweet.
They'll appreciate it more, in the end.

[NickSaunders]

Sorry for the delay in posting a follow up response. I have been quite busy lately. Of the 10 discs that I burnt (5 from each spindle) 7 wouldn't load in either of my standalones. I threw those in the trash. The remaining 3 loaded but froze and skipped through out the entire disc. The worst of the 3 was the scan that I posted. While I agree that scans are not the "be all, end all" I have found them to be a gemeral indicator of the health of my burns. Do I live and die by them? Of course not. However, I have found that there is a pretty good correlation between a scan and its ability to play back on my standalones. While I won't necessarily toss a disc that returns a 1000 PI 100 PIF, I do expect that it has a higher probability of exhibiting playback errors. The disc above (based on my scan) made me believe that it was destined for the trash. Playback of it proved it to be true.

And...No I don't think that Lordsmurf's words were harsh at all. That being said, I have seen many posts where his comments (or lack of) can be construed as rude, harsh or brash to someone who does not have an "open mind" to those with other opinions. I respect anyone who isn't afraid to express an opinion as we are all entitled to our own. However, there are times where he could be a little more tactful. This was not one of those times that required it.

[Gen-An]

Truth can often be harsh.
No need to dance around words to coddle people's feelings.
Just give them the straight answer. Short and sweet.
They'll appreciate it more, in the end.

There is this concept called "tact." It goes a long way toward getting points across...

[FulciLives]

When people say Taiyo Yuden is super Grade A media they are generally referring to the -R variety.

In short I don't understand what possessed you to buy the +R variety.

Big Mistake.

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

[SatStorm]

This looks like +R discs from a bulk order of UK's "That's" discs ("That's" get discs from TY and just add price and a lebbel saying "That's"). How those disks end up at best buy, is a mystery to me...
BTW: TY -R discs are what made TY known worldwide.

[lordsmurf]

Seems your drive simply butchered the DVD+R TY disc. Don't feel bad, my BTC burner butchers TY DVD-R media, but fine with anything else I feed it. Go figure.

Make yourself a note: Don't buy TY +R for those LiteOn drives of yours.

The NEC problem does not surprise me AT ALL. Those drives, since the 1100 days, have been a huge source of coaster complaints on ALL KINDS of otherwise-excellent media. Continues to this very day on new ones.

[SatStorm]

I'm a dedicated Pioneer user when I talk about for DVD burners....

[Shocker Milwaukee]

I got one "That's" DVD+R disc with my LITEon 812s (YUDEN000T02). It burned flawlessly (almost no errors in Kprobe). Go figure.

[Gen-An]

TY +R is very good quality (aside from some batches produced around Nov/Dec of last year). In fact in a thread in CD Freaks' forum a rather knowledgeable Japanese forum member mentioned TY's +R manufacturing is much better than its -R since +R manuf is similar to CD-R while -R is closer to MO, which TY has little experience with. I'll see if I can find it and link it.

[Capmaster]

He didn't mention if he taped a donut to the TY media to get it to look worse than Naked Geek media

[sammie]

This looks like +R discs from a bulk order of UK's "That's" discs ("That's" get discs from TY and just add price and a lebbel saying "That's"). How those disks end up at best buy, is a mystery to me...
BTW: TY -R discs are what made TY known worldwide.

Actually I'd argue it's their "Silver" CDs that made them known world wide....................... but then I'd just be dating myself.

[Gen-An]

TY +R is very good quality (aside from some batches produced around Nov/Dec of last year). In fact in a thread in CD Freaks' forum a rather knowledgeable Japanese forum member mentioned TY's +R manufacturing is much better than its -R since +R manuf is similar to CD-R while -R is closer to MO, which TY has little experience with. I'll see if I can find it and link it.

Here are the links: http://club.cdfreaks.com/showpost.php?p=675818&postcount=65
http://club.cdfreaks.com/showpost.php?p=682355&postcount=82
http://club.cdfreaks.com/showpost.php?p=683372&postcount=86
http://club.cdfreaks.com/showpost.php?p=684141&postcount=92

[SatStorm]

@sammie: When we use CD-Rs, we had choices. Yes, TY was the best, but it was always the expensive ones! It was DVD-Rs that actually show why TY was the best. The difference was visible on DVD-Rs, but not on CD-Rs. With CD-Rs it was "I heard". With DVD-Rs is "I see a difference...."