Which do you like better and why

[BrainStorm69]

OK, I promise to stop this soon. But at least this is a simple two cap comparison

Cap01


Cap02

[bazooka]

Edit.


It is hard to tell from just screen shots.

[only_emo_kid]

whut am i looking for?

[Shocker Milwaukee]

I liked the second one because it seems to look better.

[BrainStorm69]

Edit.


It is hard to tell from just screen shots.

It's hard to tell what?

whut am i looking for?

I just want to know which screen capture you like better and why. Both are captured from the same tape, but two different vcrs.

[only_emo_kid]

oh... i c, I thought the part of the newspaper that was circled was something u had highlighted or something lmao i'm dumb

[lordsmurf]

Look about the same.

[bazooka]

Look about the same.

That is what I was trying to say.

Thank you Lordsmurf.

[BrainStorm69]

Suggestion...try centering the 1st cap on your screen and then hit your "Page Down" key on your keyboard. I don't know if the resolution you have your monitor set to makes a difference, but at 1024x768 I can then alternate between the "Page Up" and "Page Down" keys and the two images perfectly overlap. Changing between them makes the differences more easily recognizable.

[lordsmurf]

Makes me dizzy.

[freestyler]

What's the source and what format was it captured to?

The top letterboxed area appears blocky under a blue gun, you may want to re-mattte it in your encoding or editing software, which you probably will (so disregard).

Image 2 under blue:

[BrainStorm69]

Makes me dizzy.

Then try saving both images to a directory with nothing else in it. Then open with Windows Picture and Fax Viewer. Then you can alternate between them using the left and right arrow keys. Not so much motion that way.

What's the source and what format was it captured to?

The top letterboxed area appears blocky under a blue gun, you may want to re-mattte it in your encoding or editing software, which you probably will (so disregard).

Source is VHS tape of DVD. Captured with VirtualVCR using Huffyuv codec. Screen capped with VirtualDubMod to .tga, then converted with PaintShop Pro to .jpg.

Blue Gun -- interesting effect. Exactly how did you do it?

[piano632]

Top image looks a tad darker.

Do I win a prize?

[freestyler]

Just dropped it into photoshop and ran up the blues all the way, there are a few diff ways to do it, its like the feature on broadcast monitors called "blue gun" type of effect

for still images it helps find blocky areas, ie. artifacts, etc

i believe vegas and premiere allow this as well (video)

capture doesn't look bad for vhs, i would probably go with the second one after adding new letterboxing

[lordsmurf]

The top one appears "darker", but I'm betting it's probably just because the bottom one is too light. There is no way to judge this as stills on a computer monitor.

[vhelp]

I think he said that he taped his DVD to his VCR

Is this the movie, Spiderman ??

I think I much like the bottom pic, because it seems to look "original" (due to
the lighter color)

EDITED by vhelp

Cheers,
-vhelp

[BrainStorm69]

I think he said that he taped his DVD to his VCR

Is this the movie, Spiderman ??

EDITED by vhelp

Cheers,
-vhelp

Correct on both counts.

[ZAPPER]

I think that the bottom looks just a little brighter. Next time try to use something with a little more skin tone in it. I know that it is not the professional standard, but as far as guessing which looks better it is more natural to see if the skin tone looks right.

[junkmalle]

Maybe this will help:

[vhelp]

The reason I liked the bottom pic was because it looked more natural, that is,
that it looked like it was captured w/out being touched.

But, my assumption earlier (and now) is that the user captured it w/ an
hardwared device (probably an MPEG-2 device, because softare real-time'ers
leave more blocks because of the corners they have to cut, in order to keep
the framerate w/in respect/comprimoise

Question:
* What device did you use ??
.. or, are you saving that for the final conclusion ?
.. .. what it the Hauppauge's PVR-USB2 ?? (looks like a good comprimise in
.. .. quality)

Cheers,
-vhelp

[NightWing]

Actualy the top one is a bit better.

If you have Photoshop or somthing that does layers with adjustment for opaque then bring both in. drop on on top of the other and adjust by varing the opaque. The top one seems to have more detail better edges. Less interleave etc. Try this.

[vhelp]

.
.
They should have been .PNG files (or at least made available to D/L) because
this is a Lossless format.., where-as, .JPG/JPEG are not. And, then add blocks
to the image, and when posted, leaves us drawing the wrong conclusions.

I know I've seen elwhere's, where it was hinted/advised not to use .JPG's,
but people continue to use them
And, when posting pics, for us to conclude/theorize on, size shouldn't be an
issue

post some .PNG's

@ BrainStorm69

Not to start an OT, but..

* What chapter was that from ??
* And, although the first one was my favirote, I have yet to see the 2nd one.

Thanks,
-vhelp

[junkmalle]

They should have been .PNG files

Videohelp.com doesn't allow images over 50 KB. The posted images would have been 10 times that size in PNG format.

[BrainStorm69]

Question:
* What device did you use ??
.. or, are you saving that for the final conclusion ?
.. .. what it the Hauppauge's PVR-USB2 ?? (looks like a good comprimise in
.. .. quality)

Cheers,
-vhelp

AverMedia EZDVDMaker PCI with VirtualVCR using Huffyuv.

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@ BrainStorm69

Not to start an OT, but..

* What chapter was that from ??
* And, although the first one was my favirote, I have yet to see the 2nd one.

Thanks,
-vhelp

It was from Chapter 17.

Actually the top one is a bit better.

The top one seems to have more detail better edges. Less interleave etc.

Actually, in looking at things myself, Cap01 clearly has less aliasing of the edges in the top of the cap. For instance, look at the top edges of the newpaper -- much smoother in Cap01. However, in the bottom of the cap, there is more aliasing in Cap01 than Cap02. For instance, look at the white line above the words "Police Chief" -- much smoother than Cap01.

You can also see the differences by checking the black "framing corners" on the upper and lower right side of the cap.

They should have been .PNG files

Videohelp.com doesn't allow images over 50 KB. The posted images would have been 10 times that size in PNG format.

Exactly.

[vhelp]

hmm..

I didn't see your capture card in the capture list:

* Capture Card List ( AVER.. )

I'm just curious, that's all

Cheers,
-vhelp

[BrainStorm69]

hmm..

I didn't see your capture card in the capture list:

* Capture Card List ( AVER.. )

I'm just curious, that's all

Cheers,
-vhelp

My bad...it's the DVD EZMaker PCI

https://www.videohelp.com/capturecards.php?CaptureCardRead=213#comments

PS: I have the version with the Philips chip, not the BT878

[Capmaster]

One. It looks crisper on the edges.

[jimmalenko]

I prefer two. Lighter and smoother (less noise).

[NightWing]

Is there any test pattern you can record?

Some times they can determine a bit better than a picture.

[vhelp]

Yeah.., I'm with that. A test pattern.

Something what we all could use (make it become our standard here) and
author it as a VOB file, so that we can D/L it, burn to DVD-R and play it in
our DVD player, and capture it w/ our capture cards/devices.
.
But, make several different patterns (for different aspects of testing certain
conditions or whatever "math" might be behind it) ..throw them in our Tools
section, under Samples area (if you have a "samples" area, if not, there
should be such an area, so that everyone has access to Samples that vcdhelp
decided upon as being what we all need to obtain - Approximate) ..give or
take a few proper wordings
.
(I lost all my test patterns in a crash, so I'm really just too lazy to go looking
around the net for them again)

Maybe BJ_M will do the honor's ??

-vhelp