How to Create Scrolling Credits?

[whoster69]

I videotaped out school play using my SonyDCR-TRV38 and I want to make DVDs of it for all of my students so they can play them in their stand alone DVD players. I've tried a few programs and have gotten them to work OK, but didn't find a way to make scrolling credits. Is there a program that will support this?

I've been messing around with Ulead's DVD MovieFactory 4.0. It's easy to use, but somewhat limited. Adobe Premiere Pro 1.5 is just the opposite. Anyone have a alternative that has good options but not such a steep learning curve? I just want to make/use some decent menus with sound and put some credits at the end that scroll. No chapters or fancy sound/subtitles. Any suggestions?

Also is there a way to avoid the transcoders that all these program have. The quality of the video isn't as clean as I'd like.

Thanks.

[northcat_8]

If you are using Adobe Premiere, go to your titler "File > New > Title"

Once in your titler, you will see 2 text buttons, I think the Text botton is selected by default. You'll see a little drop box at the top of the screen that will say "Still" by default. Click that drop box and select either roll or crawl.

For a complete tutorial check out http://www.wrigleyvideo.com/videotutorial/tutorials.htm

[whoster69]

Thanks I'll try that. I'll look at a few of your other tutorials too because so far, Premiere Pro has been very difficult to figure out. I love all the options it supports but it's hard get the hang of at first.

If anyone else has some other ways to do this I'd be interested as well.

Thanks again for the help and quick reply northcat_8!

[Richard_G]

I use Ulead Mediastudio Pro which you may find easier to get to grips with than Premiere (I know I did!). There is a tutorial on creating rolling credits on the Ulead UK website (see here http://www.ulead.co.uk/learning/msp/msp7_08_1.htm ). Although written with MSP in mind, it may well give you an idea of how to do it in other applications that support it.

[Cunhambebe]

Vegas can do it, even though its scrolling titles are a bit outdated.
If I'm not mistaken there's an application called Wild FX Pro. It makes fancy text for DVD Menus (you can try to make your scrolling credits there, but I'm not sure if it can do it - anyway you can download the trial). It renders as flash (**swf files), and then you can drop these files in Vegas. Great for making fancy menu titles and it's not too expensive.

http://www.wildform.com/wildfx/index.php?sid=%7BSESSION_ID%7D

VideoHelp should iclude this one among shown tools.

Other choice would be Boris Red $$$. It has an option to render as **.swf, so you can do the same thing (open the tiles and render the final result in Vegas) - this one I assure you can render scrolling titles. Or you can try what's been suggested here: After Effects is great too.

[jimmalenko]

Maybe you could try this using Avisynth:
https://www.videohelp.com/forum/userguides/99389.php#textroll

[whoster69]

Thanks for the info everyone!

[daamon]

Hi whoster69,

Ye can create a scrolling title effect in Bluff Titler. It'll export to DV AVI which can then be encoded to MPEG2 for DVD.

But, as you have Premiere Pro, I'd say to persevere with that as scrolling titles are quite simple.

For help with Premiere Pro, check out www.wrigleyvideo.com/videotutorial

Good luck...

[edDV]

Even WMM 2 will make credit rolls. Be sure to export in DV-AVI format.

Just edit them on to the end of your movie.

I'd use Premiere or Vegas but WMM does a half decent job of credit rolls.

[Cunhambebe]

jimmalenko, you must be kidding. That link frightens even a rock - lol.

[jimmalenko]

jimmalenko, you must be kidding. That link frightens even a rock - lol.

I never said it would be easy

[proxyx99]

Yeah, after reading all posts I'd say Avisynth looks pretty good... you should be able to reach the last line of your credits compilation by the first year of your pension... Great suggestion for guys on... death row. "Death by credits" would frighten even the toughest...

[offline]

jimmalenko, you must be kidding. That link frightens even a rock - lol.

What?
Cut"n'Paste people! Then use "find/replace" in your favorite
word processor. Add the source line and you are done.

-> faster than any other method if you do lots of simple credits and top quality results! Don't let all the "code" scare you.

[jimmalenko]

relax, mitch - go easy on the noobs

[p_l]

Gotta go with edDV here. I haven't used Premiere, and Vegas does have perfunctory scrolling titles, but WMM 2 does them quick and easy. As he says, stay in DV-AVI format.

[stackner]

Thanks I'll try that. I'll look at a few of your other tutorials too because so far, Premiere Pro has been very difficult to figure out. I love all the options it supports but it's hard get the hang of at first.

If anyone else has some other ways to do this I'd be interested as well.

Thanks again for the help and quick reply northcat_8!

stick with premiere pro. its very very very good. there are some great tutorials done by wrigley video you can view demos and download the tutorials as video for free. goto.

http://www.wrigleyvideo.com/videotutorial/tut_premierepro.htm

the tutorials for 6.0 and 6.5 also work most of the time in premiere pro aswell. there are a couple of title/credits tutorials there. cheers

[Tom Saurus]

Mpeg Video Wizard has a tool for making Titles. It has the option of Still or Scrowling Credits. Now I can't remember exactly how to do it, but you can somehow, change the resolution or size of the file you are working on. I mean the default is 320x240 in the title screen, and you can change that to 720x480, by right clicking or something. I remember quite well making titles at 320x240 and they don't look good at that resolution.

If I remember right WMM has the settings at 320x240 and when they are converted to a large resolution they don't look very sharp either.

At what resolution have you captured your "School Stuff" at. I am assuming 720x480. If you have an ATI All In Wonder Card, I learned from Lordsmurf's Website to capture the video using the DVD-Mpeg2 setting. By doing eliminate re-encoding at a later date. I think you should try Mpeg Video Wizard, you might find it quite useful. There is a trial version available.

[northcat_8]

I'll look at a few of your other tutorials too because so far, Premiere Pro has been very difficult to figure out. I love all the options it supports but it's hard get the hang of at first.

They aren't my tutorials. The guy's name is Kurt Wrigley, I was just like you at one time...powerful program and no clue where to start, there are just so many options Just checking out a few of his tutorials will get you moving then you can experiment from there. One piece of advise for working with Adobe Premiere...learn to love the "Transform" filter

[whoster69]

Thanks for all the info/tips! I'm learning a lot from the discussions!

It seems that all these programs (Premiere Pro included) do transcoding instead of encoding. Is there a better way to take the raw data and put it onto a DVD that I can watch it in my stand alone DVD player with?

[edDV]

Thanks for all the info/tips! I'm learning a lot from the discussions!

It seems that all these programs (Premiere Pro included) do transcoding instead of encoding. Is there a better way to take the raw data and put it onto a DVD that I can watch it in my stand alone DVD player with?

Explain what you mean by transcoding? Are you working with DV format? If so, the video is Y, U, V at the same levels as DVD MPeg2. There is a compression during encoding but no transcoding unless you are doing something wrong. DV video is compressed in the camera to about 25 Mb/s. DVD MPeg2 needs to be futher compressed to approx 8Mb/s for an hour of video. That is the best you can do for playback on a DVD Player. You could backup 20 min of DV-AVI to a DVDR but this won't play on a DVD player. It would have to be copied to a hard drive to play.

I recommend you preserve your master on DV tape.

[whoster69]

Well, I'm using miniDV tapes. When I'm making a DVD disc, during the process of taking the information from the tape and making a DVDR disc it says "transcoding" before it burns it onto a DVDR disc.

[edDV]

The process should be (for Premiere)

1. Project format DV 720x480 NTSC
2. Capture format DV
3. Export Timeline to MPeg2 DVD

DVD authoring will use the imported MPeg2 file, multiplex it with audio and menus into VOB, BUP and IFO files. Those will then be converted to the RAW data that will be burned to the DVD (the ISO file). Last step is the DVD burn.


If it really is transcoding, you have your project format incorrectly set.

[whoster69]

Thanks. I'll check into it. I may be doing something wrong along the way.

[whoster69]

The process should be (for Premiere)

1. Project format DV 720x480 NTSC
2. Capture format DV
3. Export Timeline to MPeg2 DVD

DVD authoring will use the imported MPeg2 file, multiplex it with audio and menus into VOB, BUP and IFO files. Those will then be converted to the RAW data that will be burned to the DVD (the ISO file). Last step is the DVD burn.


If it really is transcoding, you have your project format incorrectly set.

I understand all of that but #3. What is "export timeline"? Here's the export choices I have:

Movie
Frame
Audio
Adobe Media Encoder
Export to DVD

I assume I either export to "Movie" and then burn using my regular burning program, or I export to "DVD" and Premiere Pro 1.5 burns it for me.

Is that correct? or am I totally missing something here...

Thanks for the help!

[edDV]

The process should be (for Premiere)

1. Project format DV 720x480 NTSC
2. Capture format DV
3. Export Timeline to MPeg2 DVD

DVD authoring will use the imported MPeg2 file, multiplex it with audio and menus into VOB, BUP and IFO files. Those will then be converted to the RAW data that will be burned to the DVD (the ISO file). Last step is the DVD burn.


If it really is transcoding, you have your project format incorrectly set.

I understand all of that but #3. What is "export timeline"? Here's the export choices I have:

Movie
Frame
Audio
Adobe Media Encoder
Export to DVD

I assume I either export to "Movie" and then burn using my regular burning program, or I export to "DVD" and Premiere Pro 1.5 burns it for me.

Is that correct? or am I totally missing something here...

Thanks for the help!

For an external DVD authoring program, Adobe Premiere Pro can either export the timeline to a Movie (a large DV-AVI file) or encode to DVD compatible MPeg2 using its internal encoder*. The MPeg2 file can then be imported to the authoring program.

It also can also "Direct-to-DVD export" for a simple preview DVD of the MPeg2.

I hope this helps.

* the encoder has several choices including DVD default MPeg2. There are many ways to customize the settings. Try the default first.

[whoster69]

So I just export to DVD then and go with defaults?

Thanks again for the assistance!

[edDV]

So I just export to DVD then and go with defaults?

Thanks again for the assistance!

I don't have Premiere Pro with me here but I recall "Adobe Media Encoder" with DVD default is the way to go if you want to export to an authoring program.

I think that "export to DVD" gets you the quick preview DVD.

Best to consult the help file for the correct path.

[whoster69]

OK. Thanks. I'll check it out tomorrow and see what I can figure out.

Thanks again for the help!

[whoster69]

So I just export to DVD then and go with defaults?

Thanks again for the assistance!

I don't have Premiere Pro with me here but I recall "Adobe Media Encoder" with DVD default is the way to go if you want to export to an authoring program.

I think that "export to DVD" gets you the quick preview DVD.

Best to consult the help file for the correct path.

OK, I tried using export to "Adobe Media Encoder" and it brought up a dialog box titled "Transcode Settings". I thought I didn't want to transcode?

Anyway, it then gave me choices (Windows Media 9 was the default). I could pick MPEG2 and MPEG2-DVD (among others but I mention these two because I'm not sure which one to go with. I selected MPEG2-DVD since I'm making a DVD. It then gave me some further choices, so I went with highest quality DV.

Is this the right way to do things or am I in the wrong place since it's transcoding?

Thanks again.

[edDV]

MPEG2-DVD should be the correct choice.
How long is the program on the timeline?
Highest quality may get you a little over an hour to one DVD.

You are encoding the DV format original material to MPeg2. This is necessary to make a playable DVD.

You should also backup the DV timeline to DV tape to maintain an original quality archive. To do that, I think the command is "Export Timeline", then "Export to Tape".

If instead you want to save the DV timeline to DVDR discs for backup, export to a DV-AVI movie file in 20min segments and copy each file to a DVDR. A DVDR disc can only hold 20min of DV format material. These will not be playable. They are just for backup.

I prefer to backup to DV tape myself.