DUAL LAYER BURNING SOFTWARE

[tommy1]

HI ALL

I JUST GOT THE NEW PIONNER DVR-108 drive WHICH CAN DO DUAL LAYER DVD BURNING ETC.

I HAVE NERO 6 AND EASY 7 BUT NOT SURE OR LEAST I DONT THINK THEY CAN DO DUAL LAYER BURNING ON TO A 8.5 GB DISK?

i CAME WITH SOFTWARE TO DO THIS BUT AM LOOKING FOR TIPS AND ANY SOFTWARE THAT CAN MAKE MOVIES SAY 2 TO A DISK WITH EXTRAS AND COPY A DVD AS A WHOLE AND BURN TO A 8.5GB DISK...

I USE DVD SHRINK AT THE MOMENT TO COMPRESS DVD`S

i ALSO CAPTURE TV THAT CAN SOMETIMES MAKE FILES BIGGER THAN 4.7GB ... I WANT TO BE ABLE TO BU T THE FOOTAGE ONTO A 8.5GB DISK WITH OUT LOOSE ANY OR MUCH PICTURE QUILTY LIKE YOU CAN WHEN YOU COMPRESS..


SORRY FOR A LONG POST BUT DUAL LAYER BURNING IS NEW TO ME

THANK YOU

[Baldrick]

dvddecrypter supports dual media burning.

[gitreel]

I think your caps lock button is on.

Turn it off and follow baldricks suggestion.

All caps in cyberworld is considered hostile and shouting.

[ricky1756]

nero 6 does dual layer burning also

[chas0039]

dvddecrypter supports dual media burning.

Doesn't DVDDcrypter link to Nero or am I thinking of Shrink? If that is the case I would need to update from Nero 5 to 6, right?

[tommy1]

Sorry re caps lock i did not know that it is thought as shouting .. It is off now..

Thank you for replies so far...

[tigerman8u]

dvddecrypter supports dual media burning.

Doesn't DVDDcrypter link to Nero or am I thinking of Shrink? If that is the case I would need to update from Nero 5 to 6, right?

Dvdshrink uses Nero. I think Dvddecrypter has it's own built in burning.

[adam]

chas0039 you are thinking of shrink. DVD Decryptor is a standale ripper/burner that supports DL burning. I think DL support is still pretty shaky though.

As scary as it sounds, I think Nero might actually be a better choice for DL burning right now. I expect that to change soon though once the hardware becomes more widespread and DVD Decryptor gets updated properly.

[handyguy]

If I bought a DL unit I would buy it with software that does DL writing.

[waheed]

I think DL support is still pretty shaky though.

I totally agree. DL is still in its infancy, not to mention the compatibility problems one may face at present. Best to wait for the second or third generation of DL Burners as most probelms will be resolved by then. Dont forget that the current DL burners were out even before the media was out so you can imagine the widespread of problems with DL.

Persoanlly, I will NEVER upgrade to DL unless the burner has BITSETTING capabilities.

[Edmund Blackadder]

As scary as it sounds, I think Nero might actually be a better choice for DL burning right now.

That does sound scary, as it also quite often produces scary results. At this point, in my opinion, the best DL burning software is RecordNow 7.2. Read this thread to find out a lot about DL burning, and how to make compatible burns with proper layer break and DVD-ROM bitsetting:

https://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=225001

[tommy1]

Thank you for your repies so far..

I went for the OEM option as I wanted to choose my own software... I have Nero 6 and I did not know it did DL burning... I now done two dvds with DL with two movies on each taken from TV and even done a menu for both films with chapters... It works a treat....

I used Traxdata DL disks .. I was nervous on my first burn though all new to me this DL game... But I was well pleased even did DVD text for the LCD on dvd player .... The disks were not cheap though has anyone seen DL disks for a fairly good price? I paid £5.99 per disk got 5... I know what you might be thinking but more room means better picture to though....


Thanks

[overloaded_ide]

I know what you might be thinking but more room means better picture to though....

Not really. I am thinking you may be making too large of files and waisting space (and money). Since I don't know how long you been doing this or what you do or don't know, and since other people that are new to the entire dvd stuff read these posts too I'll run through it.

You can make the files as large as you want and you will never have better quality picture than you started with. More room just means you can hold more TIME on the disk at the same quality. SO if the best quality I can get for a dvd R is 2 hours running time filling the disk, then you could put about 4 hours of the same quality on a disk twice as large.

You can also make the same 2 hour DVD twice as large in size and fill the disk that is twice as large with just 2 hours time, but you gain nothing, quality is the same, you have just waisted half a disk for nothing at all.

Resolution of video, like VHS tapes and most normal TV broadcasts are closer to 352X480, and Bits per second you capture at is what deterimins quality and file size. The higher the resolution and the more bits per second the larger the file for any given amount of time.

The higher the resolution the more bits per second you need in order to maintain quality. Most people seem to be screwing this up alot lately that I have been helping learn DVD authoring.

Most people it seems just assume always use the highest resolution for the best quality. WRONG!!! You capture at the resolution closet to your source. Higher resolution than the source does NOT increase quality, it only adds un-needed waisted space. Higher resolution does need more bits per second to display the un-needed info you added, in order to maintain the quality , so your file is huge for no reason!

If you are capturing TV or VHS sources which are analog and even some digital tv broadcasts ect.. 352x480 is the closet resolution for the source. Anything higher than that is waisted. At 352x480 you have less video info to store and then can use a much lower bit rate. You still have quality EQUAL to the source you were recording, but you can now get much more time on one disk. I use many differnet settings for different uses, but at 352x480 I think VHS/broadcast quality is around 5,000-6,000 bits per second and you can go alittle higher or lower without much if any quality change. If a video is short I often go higher just because I don't need the extra space on the disk for anything else. If the video is long I can use lower settings to squeeze out a bit more time. As long as I stay close to those numbers and not too far below there is not any noticeable difference durring playback normally.

If I had captured at full resolution of near 720x480 I would need about 8,000 bits per second to mantain the VHS/Broadcast quality I started with!
You see the quality does not go up, but the file size does!! ANd it goes up ALOT!!

About the only times I have needed or wanted 720X480 resolution and high bits per second might be when the source is a DV camcorder. And the fact is, rarley is it actually needed then. Yes if the video was professionally recorded, but the fact is most people with these fancy camcorders are shooting VHS or lower quality videos anyway. Wrong settings on the cameras, bad lighting, people in shadows, dirty lenses ect...

Heck I gave my daughter a VHS-C camcorder this year for her 13th birthday and her first few videos she did look better than many of the DV camcorder videos I been working on for other people!

If you are capturing a Digital Broadcast that is actually using high resolutions like 720X480 or if you are a professional videographer using good equipment then 720x480 and high bits per second will keep the great quality you already have as your source.

As for ripping DVDs, ok just rip and burn, no need to shrink them to fit, but even many DVD quality DVDs are 90-120 minutes on a DVD 5 which is about the same thing as a single layer DVD R. So if a DVD 5 holds 2 hours of DVD quality video from Hollywood, then why do so many people think a DVD R only holds 60 minutes or the quality suffers if you record longer??? I have recently had to rip a couple DVD5 disks to prove it to a couple friends that were for some reason convinced nothing over 60 minutes would be DVD quality. Rip a DVD 5 and burn to DVD R with no shrinking!! They were totaly dumbfounded that it fit!

I'm in the USA, so if you use PAL instead then I think the same things applie but the resolutions you would use are a little different, but close.

[TheRock]

Great explanation that clears it up for me and probably alot of others Overloaded_ide. Thanks. But, in general, if capturing from vhs at the resolution and b/r you say. how many hours can go on a single, and how many on a dl dvd?

[overloaded_ide]

general, if capturing from vhs at the resolution and b/r you say. how many hours can go on a single, and how many on a dl dvd?

Don't really know off hand. I been busy with alot of other stuff lately and been most the summer since I did much of my own video. I got a hiss in my main systems audio and haven't taken time to fix it. I forgot exactly what all my custom settings are till I get back into it. The other system just has my average settings in it like for 2 hours.

Normally 2 hours is the most I need for VHS to DVD so I seldom pushed it over that for normall stuff, so I don't know what you could do maximum.

I have done alot of stuff, but forget all the settings, 3hrs has worked well for me also. I put both Blues Brothers VHS tapes onto one DVD R since I normally watch them both anyway. Not sure the total time on that disk?

Testing is the best way to learn,
Using 352X480 resolution I'd say do some testing. Start with about 5,000 bits per second and capture 15 minutes footage. See what it looks like, then drop down to 4,000 bits per second capture it again and view that.
Test that way till you find you no longer like the results then go back up to where you were happy with what you got.
Capture a 90 minute or 2 hr movie. Look at the file size. Is it large or small? If you do a 2 hr movie and it turns out 2gigs and you like the quality then you could fit 4 hours at that rate onto your DVD R roughly, leave room for any menus and extra you want to add.
I dought you would like 4 hours, but you just start testing and trying different things.

Also alot depends on your source video. Even if your capturing VHS tapes it can vary alot. For instance the old movies like Abbot and Costello, Dracula etc.. will not have the best quality to begin with probably, so you could reduce the bits and still mantain the lower quality of the source video. I have put Alot of Laurel and Hardy movies on one DVD R at the same quality of the source becuase the movies themselfs were of less than VHS quality. Studios did not preserve those movies well.

You might want to go a higher bit rate and less time for fast action movies too compared to something like a standup comedy show where nothing much happens for action or where people just walk around alot talking. Fast action like chase scenes car crashes ect. may do better at higher bit rates but normally slow action like people walking and talking don't need as many bits.

No one answer for capture settings is best for everything. In general though 352X480 at 5,000bps should do well for about everything and I think it gets about 2hrs. Or was my setting 4,000 for 2 hours?
I use so many for various things

As for DL media, I haven't use it yet but figure a little less than double what you get for Sl media for time. That's about when I'll start using it too, when it cost about double what I pay for SL media. I rarely NEED more than 2 hrs to a disk and that works fine on SL media for me.
For rare specail stuff I author I might go as high as $5 for a few DL disks, but I dought I would ever pay more than that and only for specail uses, not common stuff when I can get good SL media for 60 cents or less I know works well for me.

[TheRock]

Thanks yet again O_I. What I was thinking of is the 50+ 6 hr VHS tapes of my daughters drooling and gaga'ing. At some point I'll need to transfer these, and the thought of 25+ dvd's and the process for each keeps me thinking of other things to do. If you had to do this, what would you use to edit out some of the painfully boring stuff after capturing the 6 hours. If it was so entertaining that you kept it all, what would you use to bust it into 2-3 dvd's worth? Or would you capture just 2-3 hours at a time? Sorry to veer this post off track!

[Richard_G]

The disks were not cheap though has anyone seen DL disks for a fairly good price? I paid £5.99 per disk got 5...

£3.98 each including vat.

http://www.blankdiscshop.co.uk/acatalog/copy_of_FOR_DVD_R_RW_CLICK_HERE.html

Still not cheap, but getting there.