Verbatim 8x media $49.99 at Newegg, free shipping

[Gen-An]

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=17-130-951&depa=0
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=17-130-950&depa=0

The -R is definitely Datalifeplus, but no one seems to know about the retail 8x +R spindle, whether or not they have the MCC 003 media code and are made in Singapore or Taiwan. $1/disc is insane though, either way.

[Bodysurf]

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=17-130-951&depa=0
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=17-130-950&depa=0

The -R is definitely Datalifeplus, but no one seems to know about the retail 8x +R spindle, whether or not they have the MCC 003 media code and are made in Singapore or Taiwan. $1/disc is insance though, either way.

That price ROCKS for Verbatim DatalifePlus MCC 8X DVD-R!

If I didn't have all this dirt-cheap 4X DVD-R (8 spindles of the $14.99 4X Verbatim MCC DVD-R and 2 spindles of the 4X Maxell "Office Depot Special"), I'd be all over this.

[Gen-An]

I just got in a 10 pack of the DLP 8x -R discs today. Burned one with my ND-2500A (firmware 1.07 hacked w/DL support) using CD-DVD Speed's Create Data Disc function, then scanned it with KProbe using my Lite-On DVD-ROM (yes, DVD-ROM), model XJ-HD166S. I'll post the results a bit later, it seems I screwed up the scans.

[rgtaa]

I'm interested in knowing how people's experience with 8x media goes.
Especially those that have burned 4x media at 8x ... and the difference in KProbe between TRUE 8x media at 8x ...vrs 4x at 8x.
Anyone have link or info on Burn differences ...if any? Success Rate?

[Gen-An]

I'm interested in knowing how people's experience with 8x media goes.
Especially those that have burned 4x media at 8x ... and the difference in KProbe between TRUE 8x media at 8x ...vrs 4x at 8x.
Anyone have link or info on Burn differences ...if any? Success Rate?

I think I"m seeing why DVD-ROMs aren't good for kprobe. I'll post a few scans in a bit, but these things are all over the place.

[Gen-An]

Here goes. Be forewarned, this is some graphic stuff

Here is a scan done at the recommended Kprobe settings of a Verbatim DLP 8x -R disc, burned on an ND-2500A.

[rgtaa]

Can you interupt your findings ... WAS that good or BAD?

[Gen-An]

That is a horrible scan, but I'm guessing it's due to the fact that DVD-ROMs just aren't that great for KProbe scans. I'm running a scan of a 4x Verbatim DLP burned at 8x at the moment, and so far it seems to be a better burn...?!?! Madness.

[rgtaa]

You are a Pioneer so I'll keep an Eye on this Thread.
Maybe others that have experience with:

4x at 8x
8x at 8x

can ADD their INPUT as well ?!

[Gen-An]

MCC01 RG20 burned at 8x. This isn't much better:

[Gen-An]

Okay this just about tears it. This is a scan of a Fujifilm-branded TYG02 burn:



While that is indeed a vast improvement over the Verbatim scans, peep this post: https://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=962809#962809

So a FAKE TYG02 disc scans better than the REAL THING? Either my ND-2500A is in serious need of repair, I'm horribly unlucky with high quality media, or KProbe on DVD-ROMs is totally jacked.

[Gen-An]

I noticed the two Japanese DVD burner sites I frequent use Lite-On DVD-ROMs to do their KProbe scans, but they set both PI and P0 to 1. I decided to give it another try, using their settings.

TYG02 scan:

[DVDDave]

while i don't know how to post these scans, or even interpet them, i have great success burning many types of media 4X@8X. i use a lite on 812S@832S. i burn RICHOJPNR01, MCC 0R1G20, TYG01, YUDEN000T01, all at 8X and all have no errors with DVDINFOPRO.

[Gen-An]

And finally, the Verbatim 8x DVD-R scanned again using the settings from the Japanese sites:



That is a marked difference. Compare my scans to these: http://homepage2.nifty.com/yss/nd2510a/kprobe_8x.htm
Perhaps those Japanese sites are onto something...?

[rgtaa]

Gee you have to explain your findings in Plain English. I can't figure out what the Graphs mean? Is 8x media at 8x giving better results?

[Gen-An]

The picture of the spindle is Taiyo Yuden 8x DVD-R media (TYG02), burned at 8x, with the Plextools and KProbe scans below (the format of the page is a picture of the media, followed by the error scans of it). Below that is a Taiyo Yuden 8x DVD+R scan, followed by a Ricoh 8x +R scan, then a Mitsubishi 8x -R scan. Focus on the Taiyo Yuden and Mitsubishi -R scans as those are the same media I tested.

[rgtaa]

Even plainer English.
Something like:

8x at 8x seems to produce 1/2 the errors ,etc.

or 4x at 8x and 8x at 8x seem to be the same.

I went to the japenese page and it was hard to follow ... I haven't downloaded MS language packs.

Thanks for researching this ... I didn't know if anyone noticed any differences yet.

[lordsmurf]

Unless you have the LiteOn burners, don't even waste your time on kprobe.

[Gen-An]

Unless you have the LiteOn burners, don't even waste your time on kprobe.

Still, kprobe on DVD-ROM has to be better than no kprobe at all right? What's your opinion on Nero CD-DVD Speed Disc Quality scans?

[rgtaa]

lordsmurf!
what's your 2 cents on this issue!
4x at 8x and 8x and 8x is same or 4x at 8x is inferior?

Even if you say something like:
Pioneer A07 or Nec 2500 4x at 8x is same as 8x at 8x (giving brand burner that works)

[disturbed1]

Those discs are pure shit, or your burner is pure shit. Either way, those have to be the most horrid scans I've ever seen besides the TYG02 scan.

Here's a scan from Prodisc S03 media, burnt with an NEC2500 with the +DL hacked firmware at 4x.



This is with 1/1 settings (Your Jap. settigns), notice the PO level (PIF) is close to that of the TYG02.

IMO if I had those Verbatims, I'd promptly ask for a refund or exchange. The 4x Taiwan Verbatims don't even look that bad.

[Gen-An]

It could be the DVD-ROM. When I first got it it sounded like something was loose inside when I picked it up. Also, it is unusually loud. I may have to request an RMA.

[disturbed1]

It could be the DVD-ROM. When I first got it it sounded like something was loose inside when I picked it up. Also, it is unusually loud. I may have to request an RMA.

That could be likely too.

If you have a different DVD-ROM, run a NERO CD Speed test on it, and look at the graph.

Like Lord Smurf said, DVD-ROM KProbe scans are not that accurate. But your scans clearly show a problem some where. I can post scan after scan from a couple of different 166's and a 165 that all show almost the same results across the same media. The only thing that looks as bad as your Verbatim 8x's, are my Verbatim 4x Taiwans burnt at 8x with the NEC, and most Longten Media.

[Gen-An]

Unfortunately none of the other DVD-ROMs I have support the Disc Quality Test feature. I'm considering returning the DVD-ROM and getting a cheap Lite-On burner somewhere.

[chas0039]

I would suggest a Liteon 167T. It has a wide range of hacks available and comes right from the factory with no rip speed lock.

I also have seen a wide range of reliability in Kprobe on a ROM drive and I have quit using it. I have seen some value in CDSpeed transfer rate test when run on my Liteon 167 as it runs up to around 12X-14X and seems to show errors at high speed transfer which should be some sort of quality test and the results seem to match up to what I have seen from other Kprobe tests from reliable sources.

For the record, all the Prodisc SO3s burned on my Pioneer 107D have showed perfect graphs on CDSpeed transfer.

[Gen-An]

I've RMA'd the Lite-On DVD-ROM and have an 812S on the way (yeah, I said I wouldn't do it but I broke down ) so I'll be able to more accurately test my discs. In the meantime, look what I found: http://www.cddimensions.com/cd-r_media/tai-dvdr47zzsb8.asp

Not much more than the DLP discs at Newegg, and it's Taiyo Yuden!!!

[Gen-An]

Man, what a difference a drive can make. This is a scan of the exact same TYG02 disc that looked so horrible before:


That 166S was jacked. Anyhow, getting back to the original topic, I walked into a local Best Buy today and they had Verbatim DVD+R 50 disc spindles on sale for $39.95. There were only two spindles there, but one of them was the mysterious retail 8x spindle. I started to buy, but seeing that they were made in Taiwan, coupled with the fact that I already have more discs than I know what to do with, reason prevailed and I put them back on the shelf...okay I did it at the last minute before I was about to buy them, but I put them back nonetheless!