How Do These Look?

[Sulaco]

Here are some paused images I took pictures of with my Canon PowerShot A60. The DVD is a Nero Recoder rip of The Lord Of The Rings: The Fellowship Of The Ring Widescreen Edition. I only extracted the "main title" and the English 2 channel audio track and it said video quality was at about 65% of original. My TV is a Sony Trinitron 36" CRT non HD. I was using Sony's "Enhanced 16:9 Mode" in these pictures. The pictures look nowhere near as good as just watching the film.

Let me know what you think of the quality as best as possible with these not so great pictures.

http://home.sc.rr.com/verbatimspics/

[steveryan]

I don't understand what you want people to comment on, if you're happy with the video quality then it's good enough.

[Sulaco]

Have you ever taken a dual layer DVD and ripped it to a single layer DVD and played it on a standalone DVD player? If so, did it look good to you? Did you have anything else done similarly to compare it to? If so, how did it compare?

In other words, to anyone who has ever ripped a dual layer DVD to a single layer DVD and used it to playback on a non High Definition CRT television, do these images look similar to your results? Did you get better or worse results? Can we discuss your results as they compare to mine?

To those people that have never done this, ignore this post please.

Do you get what I "want people to comment on" now?

And according to your opinion if a person is happy with results, they should ignore the fact that they could do better, right? And, if forums like this exist (and they do obviously), people should be dissuaded from posting topics such as these in order to find out more information to possibly get better results or even help someone else who is messing around with the same thing.

Perfectly logical to me! /end sarcasm

[johns0]

I did a backup with dvd2svcd(cce) and got excellent results with lotr3.Have to admit better than your results but its hard to compare with still shots taken from a camera.

[tkamin]

quality looks nice... why not try with a better encoder... nero is best for burning but could be not-the-best at encoding... try designated tools for that task...

[Sulaco]

Thx guys. Wow, you got a SVCD to look that good? I am glad I did post these pics then. I wish I could get some better pics because they really don't do the transfer justice but give a rough idea. A lot of the quality loss in these pics is that I had to resize them, they are jpg's and my camera isn't all that great . Plus, my TV, as nice as it is (imo) is still just a interlaced CRT. Does anyone know if there is a better way to capture pics of the DVDR?

[tkamin]

try playing it on the computer and using some screen capture utility (could be easily found at www.download.com ) .

[adam]

It would be best if you took frames from the actual vobs. Load a vob into VirtualDubMod and set an in and out point around a given frame (home and end key on keyboard, respectively). Then hit file and select the option to output to a still image (I forget the exact name of it.)

This will be a much better indication then a picture you take from your camera, but even this really doesn't show much at all. The only way to really analyze video quality is by looking at a video sample.

If you are happy with the quality that's most important. If you want more out of your backups then simply have to use an encoder, not a compressed domain transcoder like Recode. As good as the image looks to you, you'd probably get substantially better results at that compression level using an encoder like TMPGenc, Procoder, Mainconcept, or Cinema Craft Encoder.

[Supreme2k]

Man! I thought this thread was going to be about titty pics!

[steveryan]

Sulaco, you asked for opinions on the video based on poor screenshots, nothing more. Nowhere in your first post did you ask for help.

[Sulaco]

Thanks for the input everyone.

adam, Where can I find more information about the differences between an encoder and a compressed domain transcoder? I am really new to all of this so I am not sure what those are. Well, I know what encoders do but I don't really know much about how it is applied in this instance.

Thanks.

[trossin]

Who can tell anything from these highly compressed JPEG pictures. Any artifacts that are noticed (I see tons) are most likely from taking an 800x385 by 3 byte per pixel image 924,000 bytes and compressing it down to 67,405 bytes.

If you really want valid input you should post uncompressed images from your camera. To me the images look like crap.

[ddlooping]

If you really want valid input you should post uncompressed images from your camera. To me the images look like crap.

What about short compilation clips?
Care to play the guessing game?

http://www.dvdshrink.info/temp/beta/compilations.html

[stiltman]

http://www.dvdshrink.info/temp/beta/compilations.html

OK, how do we know which is which?

Included in each compilation:
- Original.
- DVD2One v1.40 Constant Ratio.
- IC8 "High Quality" / "Anamorphic (16:9)".
- DVD Shrink v3.2b3.
Not in this order though.

[ddlooping]

Sorry stiltman, I have now updated the page.

http://www.dvdshrink.info/temp/beta/compilations.html

[stiltman]

Sorry stiltman, I have now updated the page.

http://www.dvdshrink.info/temp/beta/compilations.html

OK, when will we find out which is which (compilation1) 8)

Thanks for the page update too

I would like to know how IC8 did. That's what I used to use all the time, before I started using DVDRebuilder.

[ddlooping]

Come on, stiltman, play the game.

Which one do you think is an excerpt from the IC8 backup?
2nd, 3rd or 4th?

[stiltman]

Come on, stiltman, play the game.

Which one do you think is an excerpt from the IC8 backup?
2nd, 3rd or 4th?

OK, i'll give it a shot 8) <arm twisted behind my back>

.....Edit....

Sorry not registered there, so i'll post here

I looked at compilation 1 only (for right now)
VTS_01_1.VOB = the original of course
VTS_02_1.VOB = pretty good, noticed pixelation around fire. Not bad though
VTS_03_1.VOB = same as the one above
VTS_04_1.VOB = worst of them all by far. I hope it's not IC8

IMO,
VTS_01_1.VOB = original
VTS_02_1.VOB = IC8
VTS_03_1.VOB = Shrink
VTS_04_1.VOB = DVD2ONE

[jimmalenko]

Have you ever taken a dual layer DVD and ripped it to a single layer DVD and played it on a standalone DVD player?

Yes. By the sounds of it this is your first one.

If so, did it look good to you?

Yes. Very good IMO.

Did you have anything else done similarly to compare it to?

I tried DVDShrink and DVD2One and compared the two.

If so, how did it compare?

Both did a fantastic job.

In other words, to anyone who has ever ripped a dual layer DVD to a single layer DVD and used it to playback on a non High Definition CRT television, do these images look similar to your results?

They do look similar. I must say though that still images mean shit all.

Did you get better or worse results?

About the same.

Can we discuss your results as they compare to mine?

Yes.

To those people that have never done this, ignore this post please.

At least half the people on this site have done this before.

And according to your opinion if a person is happy with results, they should ignore the fact that they could do better, right?

Define better. You could undertake numerous comparisions in order to find the "best" method/software, but how do you know when you've found the best method ? That is why as long as you are stoked at the results, be happy with that. Otherwise, dedicate your life to finding a perfect method.

And, if forums like this exist (and they do obviously), people should be dissuaded from posting topics such as these in order to find out more information to possibly get better results or even help someone else who is messing around with the same thing.

Perfectly logical to me! /end sarcasm

What you think is the best will most likely differ from what I think is the best.


You sure this isn't your first DVD Rip ???