crime rates in AUS and UK

[rallynavvie]

Wondering if you locals can give me info on crime rates in the past 5 years for your countries, in particular violent crime and violent crime involving guns. I don't trust information I receive here in the States, it often turns out to be a little biased. A link to an official country website with these stats would be the best!

[BJ_M]

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=uk+crime+rates

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&safe=off&q=australia++crime+rates&btnG=Search

[glockjs]

good ol' bbc, they dont b.s. about anything

[flaninacupboard]

http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs2/guncrime.pdf

interestingly, it says 80 gun fatalities a year. not bad considering there's 60 million of us! Wonder how the US stats compare?

[pacmania_2001]

http://www.abs.gov.au/Ausstats/abs%40.nsf/e8ae5488b598839cca25682000131612/76c8926bd8a12e1fca2568a9001393f2!OpenDocument

Gmatov and myself were discussing this over at Politick.

[rallynavvie]

These are excellent sources. Thanks!

[awlchu]

http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs2/guncrime.pdf

interestingly, it says 80 gun fatalities a year. not bad considering there's 60 million of us! Wonder how the US stats compare?

Typical night in Detroit, MI.

[tekkieman]

Planning a retort to Bowling for Columbine?

[rallynavvie]

Planning a retort to Bowling for Columbine?

Nope, right-winger.

[hech54]

The Australian crime rates are a JOKE compared to the U.S. - I was there for 3 weeks in 2000....watching the news each morning was very amusing to say the least. What the Aussies report as a "serious crime" in Melbourne, Adelaide and even Sydney wouldn't even make the news in most larger American cities.
I really have to laugh every time I take a trip to Berlin (Germany) too. A co-worker of my wife always feels the need to warn me about the skinheads in Berlin. Those guys are Mother Theresa compared to most of the "criminal element" in America.

[glockjs]

i bet car theft isnt too much of a prob. what the hell can you do with a stolen car on an island? its bad in phoenix, only a few hours from mexico and no special police force to fight car theft

[Craig Tucker]

i bet car theft isnt too much of a prob. what the hell can you do with a stolen car on an island?

Drive it, it's a pretty big island

The UK is an island also, and car theft is a major problem.

[flaninacupboard]

compare and contrast:
phoenix - car is stolen, driven to mexico, sold on the balck market to feed a mexican family for a week.

England - car is stolen by a little 14 year old prick who can barely see over the wheel. his father is in the pub and his mother is watching corrie. they ignore their childrens behaviour as "just being kids." The little fuckwad picks up all his mates, they rob an offlicence (for cider) and get wasted. on the way home the shit-basket mounts the kerb doing 60 and mows down three innocent pedestrains. the ****-biscuits dump the car and leave the victims to die. the next day they boast in school but the teachers and police are powerless to do anything because the aformentioned wank-stains are under 18 and the parents don't give a shit.


which sounds worse to you?

[Capmaster]

Flan,
Am I to interpret your tone in a way that would indicate you don't view these children as misunderstood by society, that they're just acting out, and that they're victims of their own environment - to be helped, not punished? Hmmmm???

"**** Biscuits"?

[flaninacupboard]

Flan,
Am I to interpret your tone in a way that would indicate you don't view these children as misunderstood by society, that they're just acting out, and that they're victims of their own environment - to be helped, not punished? Hmmmm???

you've got one part right, they're children. the current generation of parents seem to be lazy shits, with no ability to educate their offspring. perhaps it's a localised problem, but the national press doesn't seem to think so. i'll probably get attacked for saying so but i'm a believer in the classical family. i also believe you should apply for a licence to bear children, so.......

"**** Biscuits"?

You telling me you've never encountered a **** biscuit?

[devinemi83]

http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs2/guncrime.pdf

interestingly, it says 80 gun fatalities a year. not bad considering there's 60 million of us! Wonder how the US stats compare?

Well see, we are still allowed to have them. LOL

[pacmania_2001]

In Australia when a car is stolen it'll generally be either of these two scenarios:

1) Punk kids stealing it to go joyriding in it. Luckily this contingent of car thieves are stupid and can only break into shitbox cars and are put off by things like alarms.

2) Professional car thieves break into you car. Sometimes they are stealing you car specifically or they will target an in demand model and will rebirth it before selling it in another state.

[rallynavvie]

And I thought English children were like in Harry Potter or The Sound of Music. Tsk

Anyone have facts relating to "violent crime" in the UK and AUS?

[pacmania_2001]

For statistics relating to Australia and crime check out the Australian Bureau of Statistics website (www.abs.gov.au) or the Australian Institute of Criminology's website (www.aic.gov.au). They are the two bodies that will have the most up to date and reliable figures on crime in Australia.

I did a quick search there for "violent crime" and didn't find anything useful but you might have more luck.

Out of curiousity, what are you doing this for?

[Capmaster]

Flan,
Am I to interpret your tone in a way that would indicate you don't view these children as misunderstood by society, that they're just acting out, and that they're victims of their own environment - to be helped, not punished? Hmmmm???

you've got one part right, they're children. the current generation of parents seem to be lazy shits, with no ability to educate their offspring. perhaps it's a localised problem, but the national press doesn't seem to think so. i'll probably get attacked for saying so but i'm a believer in the classical family. i also believe you should apply for a licence to bear children, so.......

"**** Biscuits"?

You telling me you've never encountered a **** biscuit?

No. My wife doesn't keep bread products there ......not since her last yeast infection, after which I urged her to keep the bread somewhere else

It sounds like something Northcat might enjoy chowing down on, though ...."A biscuit with that sloppy joe, Northie?"

[VCDHunter]

England - car is stolen by a little 14 year old prick who can barely see over the wheel. his father is in the pub and his mother is watching corrie. they ignore their childrens behaviour as "just being kids." The little fuckwad picks up all his mates, they rob an offlicence (for cider) and get wasted. on the way home the shit-basket mounts the kerb doing 60 and mows down three innocent pedestrains. the ****-biscuits dump the car and leave the victims to die. the next day they boast in school but the teachers and police are powerless to do anything because the aformentioned wank-stains are under 18 and the parents don't give a shit.

Oi flan - its not just England you know, we have crime here in Wales too ! My last car was broken into six times, before I eventually scrapped it, but if I had caught the little fuckers just once I'd have been the one in clink The entire country is going to hell, fast. I was even asked for my walkman the other day in broad daylight by a bunch of hooded teenagers ! The sheer ******* gall of these little snot nosed twats.

[Capmaster]

England - car is stolen by a little 14 year old prick who can barely see over the wheel. his father is in the pub and his mother is watching corrie. they ignore their childrens behaviour as "just being kids." The little fuckwad picks up all his mates, they rob an offlicence (for cider) and get wasted. on the way home the shit-basket mounts the kerb doing 60 and mows down three innocent pedestrains. the ****-biscuits dump the car and leave the victims to die. the next day they boast in school but the teachers and police are powerless to do anything because the aformentioned wank-stains are under 18 and the parents don't give a shit.

Oi flan - its not just England you know, we have crime here in Wales too ! My last car was broken into six times, before I eventually scrapped it, but if I had caught the little fuckers just once I'd have been the one in clink The entire country is going to hell, fast. I was even asked for my walkman the other day in broad daylight by a bunch of hooded teenagers ! The sheer ******* gall of these little snot nosed twats.

What'd you do to the little jizz-bags? (Where did you insert it sideways? )

[flaninacupboard]

they probably wanted your walkman to sell so they can buy crack. should have just given them a small baggie of salt instead

[flaninacupboard]

Flan,

"**** Biscuits"?

A biscuit over here is a cookie. small round sweet thing you dunk in coffee. just read a definition of your biscuit.......

Biscuit
Savoury scone (approx)
The American biscuit is a small savoury scone-like bread which is often eaten for breakfast with gravy. Indeed, biscuits and gravy are a traditional southern-style food consisting of savoury scones and a white or brown thick sauce (nothing like British gravy), often with small bits of bacon or other meat.

Think it was the small bits of bacon that got me worst......

[rallynavvie]

Oh man, good biscuits and gravy are an awesome meal. A good sausage gravy is usually the kind that goes best with them.

[VCDHunter]

England - car is stolen by a little 14 year old prick who can barely see over the wheel. his father is in the pub and his mother is watching corrie. they ignore their childrens behaviour as "just being kids." The little fuckwad picks up all his mates, they rob an offlicence (for cider) and get wasted. on the way home the shit-basket mounts the kerb doing 60 and mows down three innocent pedestrains. the ****-biscuits dump the car and leave the victims to die. the next day they boast in school but the teachers and police are powerless to do anything because the aformentioned wank-stains are under 18 and the parents don't give a shit.

Oi flan - its not just England you know, we have crime here in Wales too ! My last car was broken into six times, before I eventually scrapped it, but if I had caught the little fuckers just once I'd have been the one in clink The entire country is going to hell, fast. I was even asked for my walkman the other day in broad daylight by a bunch of hooded teenagers ! The sheer ******* gall of these little snot nosed twats.

What'd you do to the little jizz-bags? (Where did you insert it sideways? )

What can you do ? You cant punch the little fuckers because you'll get done. Just barged on past, I'll bump into them again at some point - when its dark hopefully.

[Capmaster]

Flan,

"**** Biscuits"?

A biscuit over here is a cookie. small round sweet thing you dunk in coffee. just read a definition of your biscuit.......

Biscuit
Savoury scone (approx)
The American biscuit is a small savoury scone-like bread which is often eaten for breakfast with gravy. Indeed, biscuits and gravy are a traditional southern-style food consisting of savoury scones and a white or brown thick sauce (nothing like British gravy), often with small bits of bacon or other meat.

Think it was the small bits of bacon that got me worst......

I know what a biscuit is. I've just never heard "**** biscuit". I thought it was funny as hell that's all.

[gmatov]

Suffice it to say it is worse than the rosy picture their pols would have you believe.

Pacman told me, at the other site, that 2003 data were not included at the site I directed him to. It appears it IS included, now, as of a few days ago.

If you go to AIC site, it does not look good for a near totally disarmed populace.

What outworlders fail to read into the US stats is who is killing whom.

We, of course, have the "gang bangers", the scum of the earth, who are shooting each other in turf wars. I sell all the dope on this block. And, these are NOT the "children" that the Clintons, Sarah Bradeys, Joe, or Josh, Sugarmans, refer to. They tell you children as though it was 5 year olds. "Children", to them, is up to 19, and we know that is the time they are feeling their oats, figure they own the dope rights to an area.

The US has an overall higher death by gun count, but, again, the "counters", with an agenda, do not break it down.

Justifiable? In most states, home owner no longer has to retreat to the last inch of his property before he may defend himself, even unto deadly force, as was the law some years ago. And still the law in England, as the Martin case should show. The cops don't come, you take the matter into your own hands.

Nor does our statistical group usually break it down into "Shot by Homeowner", or "Victimized" person, and "Shot by Cop"

Remakably, the law abiding CCW people, here, many times more than the number of Police, shoot far fewer people by mistake. Police, I think I have read, shoot 800 people by "mistake" per year, keep their badge, and, as in the case of several cops in my own geographical area,m not only not been dismissed and charged with a crime, but have been promoted in the Police ranks.

In some of the charts on the site Pacman told you to try, the death rate is trending down, suicidewise, by gun, but they're still rising as to the total number of suicides.

You have really posted in the wrong site if you really wish to examine this thoroughly.

I expect this thread to be locked, soon, as this is a taboo subject, here, verges on "Politics".

Search "Homicide Australia" or "Homicide England". You will get thousands of hits, take your time and read the best of them. You may decide the pols are not your best friend.

Cheers,

George

[DereX888]

The punishment have to fit the crime, thats for sure. But there is no excuse that 'society' is to be blamed for it. Don't forget those teen fuckwads in UK, US, Australia etc etc - they are living in *best* countries out there (you know better one - let me know). If the 'society' is to be blamed for their actions, then teenagers in countries like Zimbabwe, Paraguay, Honduras and some 75% of the teenagers in rest of the world - what they should say? By this(another politically correct PoS) idiotic way of thinking those third world teens should be some kind of walking killing machines like fu*king terminators!

[pacmania_2001]

.If you go to AIC site, it does not look good for a near totally disarmed populace.

What outworlders fail to read into the US stats is who is killing whom.

We, of course, have the "gang bangers", the scum of the earth, who are shooting each other in turf wars. I sell all the dope on this block. And, these are NOT the "children" that the Clintons, Sarah Bradeys, Joe, or Josh, Sugarmans, refer to. They tell you children as though it was 5 year olds. "Children", to them, is up to 19, and we know that is the time they are feeling their oats, figure they own the dope rights to an area.

The US has an overall higher death by gun count, but, again, the "counters", with an agenda, do not break it down.

Doesn't every other country have that same problem George? I even accounted for that in one of my responses about how murders with firearms and the risks from it can be skewed through things like pre-meditation and criminals killing criminals or cops killing criminals.

The statistics I used, from reliable sources (AIC and ABS), showed that whilst crime continued to rise in Australia, as it does in most countries for various reasons (I can go into them if you want), the crimes involving firearms were actually declining since the 1996 gun control laws.

What you still fail to grasp as well is the notion that Australians can still own guns, just not semi or fully automatic weapons unless they are for hunting or sporting.

Search "Homicide Australia" or "Homicide England". You will get thousands of hits, take your time and read the best of them. You may decide the pols are not your best friend.

And most of them are going to be slanted towards the NRA and the propaganda it spews out. Like I said, if you want reliable and non-slanted figures about Australian crime and guns go to either the AIC or the ABS.

I expect this thread to be locked, soon, as this is a taboo subject, here, verges on "Politics".

Best advice yet. If any of you want to continue this on you can do so here:

http://www.politick.org.uk/viewtopic.php?t=27 (starts on about page 2)

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