64 bit

[Guest]

Anyone have these?

[Cobra]

When I'm asleep, I'm running a water-cooled FX-53.

In reality, I'm running an overclocked, overworked XP2500.....

[BJ_M]

our sgi's are 64 bit ...

[The village idiot]

our sgi's are 64 bit ...

Your SGI's have been 64 bit for several years, haven't they?

[Guest]

sgi's?

[BJ_M]

our sgi's are 64 bit ...

Your SGI's have been 64 bit for several years, haven't they?

yea -- since 1992 .. the sgi crimson which had a 100MHz internal R4000 or 150MHz R4400 with up to 32KB of first level cache and 1MB second level cache and 64bit true cpu or cpu's.
16-256MB of on-board memory.

these were normal desktop workstations ....



so i dont know what all the hype is about from amd and apple ....

[The village idiot]

Then of course there was also the Alpha machines.

[rallynavvie]

I didn't think the SGIs had onboard memory controllers and 1 GHz bus architecture but then I don't know anything about 64-bit stuff. All I know is Intel, the money-whoring titwitch, didn't release its 64-bit MPs on time

[BJ_M]

Intel has had 64 bit CPUs for a long time now ... before amd and apple (IBM really)


what was your point ?


btw-- the buss speed in some of our 5 year old sgi's is over 3ghz -- its called a crossbar buss and all parts are connected via a star topography and share a common path (including the graphics) .. it was invented by CRAY , who sgi purchased (then sold).

that is why even 7 or more years ago a sgi can play MULTIPLE High Def streams in real time ...

but horsepower of the wintel world has caught up to them -- for small systems -- it doesn't pay to go with sgi or other such systems ...

and for really huge systems - clustering is very cheap ...

sgi has been hurt by sticking with a MIPS CPUs for so long -- though they are now using other CPUs also ..

[makntraks]

Intel has had 64 bit CPUs for a long time now ... before amd and apple (IBM really)


what was your point ?


btw-- the bus speed in some of our 5 year old sgi's is over 3ghz -- its called a crossbar buss and all parts are connected via a star topography and share a common path (including the graphics) .. it was invented by CRAY , who sgi purchased (then sold).

that is why even 7 or more years ago a sgi can play MULTIPLE High Def streams in real time ...

but horsepower of the wintel world has caught up to them -- for small systems -- it doesn't pay to go with sgi or other such systems ...

and for really huge systems - clustering is very cheap ...

sgi has been hurt by sticking with a MIPS CPUs for so long -- though they are now using other CPUs also ..

In quote - BOLD - Fixed that for ya'

Your're welcome,
makntraks

p.s. It's late....... apologies....

[offline]

So what will PCI express run at?

[makntraks]

So what will PCI express run at?

Surely at an "express" speed

makntraks

[rallynavvie]

but then I don't know anything about 64-bit stuff

This is true, I wasn't kidding. The 64-bit procs I was referring to that Intel did not come out with on time are the Nocona Xeons which are 800 FSB Xeons with 64-bit instructions (there's a specific acronym for it that I can't recall). I was going to put those in my system instead of the current 32-bit 533 FSB options but now I have to be content to overclock the system, at least until winter when I can perhaps afford to upgrade to new processors. Fortunately my board already supports them.

As for previous 64-bit chips could any of them run Windows or an Apple OS? We had one of these at the school I went to and recall them having to write code for it when they wanted to do something with it. I don't even know if it really had an operating system like we know, perhaps someone else does. I never really played with the thing as I wasn't at school for CompSci, though I did have classes in the same building.
The 18 CPU Beowulf cluster at UND:

[BJ_M]

the current 64bit Intel CPU's - which have been around for a long time , run windows or they can run various flavors of UNIX ..


apple osx is a form of UNIX --- not a great one at that ...

sgi 's run IRIX - which is also - you guessed it , a type of UNIX ...


current amd 64bit CPU' s (unless you want to run a beta windows) have to run on Linux -- which is - you guessed it -- a type of UNIX ..

really had an operating system like we know

like what ? full of bugs and have to reboot all the time ? ok , xp is much much better .. but various forms of UNIX in use by sgi , IBM, hp , and many others are full GUI interfaced OS's which are so much more stable and mature .....

or do you mean like Microsoft BoB ?




here is a screen shot of sgi IRIX (it will look pretty familiar to anyone running a version of unix)

[gitreel]

so i dont know what all the hype is about from amd and apple ....

The fact that it has not been available on a consumer level is what the hype is about. :P

[BJ_M]

i would not call an apple G5 a consumer PC - it is a workstation , as it priced like a workstation ...

and a dual amd 64 is also priced far more than what i would call a home system ...


you can buy a sun blade for less money ...

[Capmaster]

BJ_M,
Am I to assume from that screenshot that you use Microsoft BoB? Please tell me you only downloaded it for the post

[The village idiot]

OT but WTF is MS BoB?

Just before I left my job at the TV station, the weather department got a computer upgrade for the RADAR system, they went from an old O2 machine to a nice new dual XEON machine by SGI. Still the blue case too.

[BJ_M]

BJ_M,
Am I to assume from that screenshot that you use Microsoft BoB? Please tell me you only downloaded it for the post

yea BoB rocks ..... best OS for encoding and editing .. 8)

[BJ_M]

OT but WTF is MS BoB?

Just before I left my job at the TV station, the weather department got a computer upgrade for the RADAR system, they went from an old O2 machine to a nice new dual XEON machine by SGI. Still the blue case too.

Microsoft Bob
Version 1.00
You may have heard jokes about some old failed Microsoft product called "Bob" or seen that big yellow smily face wearing nerdy glasses, and wondered "what the heck was that all about?".

Well, in early 1995 Microsoft released a software program called "Bob" designed to replace the desktop of Windows 3.1 and 95 with an interface designed mainly for novice users.

Microsoft held a big advertising campaign and loaded up stores with copies of Bob expecting huge sales. It totally flopped.

A few possible reasons that Bob flopped:

Bob required a minimum of a 486 with 8 megs of ram, 30 megs of free disk space, and 256 color VGA. Many computers of the day did not meet these minimum requirements.
It was too "cute" for the average PC users of the day.
Most people at the time who wanted ease of use would just get a Macintosh.
Bob was not useful enough to justify its initial sale price of almost $100.
Windows 95, which was released later that year, had the new Windows Explorer user interface which wiped the floor with Bob.
And so Microsoft Bob disappeared in to obscurity.

http://toastytech.com/guis/bob2.html

http://home.pmt.org/~drose/aw-win3x-16.html

[The village idiot]

Must not have been a big advertising campaign in my market, I never heard of BoB before.

[offline]

Must not have been a big advertising campaign

It was pretty big but pitched at the home pc user or those thinking
about buying one. You could check your calander, write letters, file paperwork.. all on a virtual desktop. It was sort of a dumbed down Claris or MSWorks.