ati all in wonder card help

[tjbecht]

does the ati all in wonder card defeet macrovion my mom has a large collection of disney vhs movies and my wife is haveing a baby soon and i would like to get them on vcd or dvd any help on the ati thing or even some good programs that would work would be great thanks guys

[fmctm1sw]

I think there are drivers that will do that. Your best bet is to visit lordsmurf's site. He's big into ATI.....

[presto]

There was a hack that worked on older driver versions but will not work on the current models of ATI AIW cards. Even if you found an older card and used the Hack it wouldn't do any good on Disney videos. There is a form of macrovision that causes the picture to get brighter and dimmer alternately and the hack won't fix that.

You need an extra box that is specifically designed to defeat macrovision. I have a Sima SCC which works fine and have heard good things about the Clarifier.

I know this combination works because I have used it with Disney videos myself.

People often recommend TBC's to defeat macrovision. I believe this advice is incorrect. I don't have a TBC so I can't say for sure. I wouldn't go out and by a TBC for this purpose unless someone can tell you that they have actually backed up a Disney video with that method.

[fmctm1sw]

I know this combination works because I have used it with Disney videos myself.

People often recommend TBC's to defeat macrovision. I believe this advice is incorrect. I don't have a TBC so I can't say for sure. I wouldn't go out and by a TBC for this purpose unless someone can tell you that they have actually backed up a Disney video with that method.

Interesting observation. I may put that to test. I recently acquired a VCR with a built-in TBC and I think I have a Disney video around somewhere (I got kids....)

[tjbecht]

where can i get those extra boxes web sites or stores that have them thanks agian guys

[presto]

The Clarifier

[tjbecht]

is there any other ones i heard about some that were alot cheaper than that any help ?

[tjbecht]

also i am thinking of getting the ati all in wonder 9200 card any help on using it for the above posts would be helpful including progs to use or any other info thanks for a awesome site

[DereX888]

There was ~$20 audio/video mixer at radioshack I bought years ago when I first started tp play with videos. It was made in Taiwan. I describe it because I dont remember model number or any specific details: black flat box with potentiometers on top, input f connectors on back with one mini-jack audio input for MIC on the front. There were 3 audio sliders and 2 video sliders (and same amount of input connectorss), with just 1 audio and 1 video output sliders and connectors (all RCA, no S-VHS, audio inputs/output were dual mono or stereo for each, with single slider for both channels so no crossfading between L/R channels). It didnt do any video transformation either in case you wondered, it was just allowing to fade in/out. Power was from separate AC adaptor (don't remember votltage).
So simple box, with some built-in audio/video signal amplifier. When you set output slider to max +10 (whatever it mean - scale was going from -10 through 0 to +10) it was at first looking overbright/overcontrast, which was quickly adjusted by recording VCR's AGC circuitry. At this setting there were no problems with any MV-protected tapes at all, I backed up lots of Disney VHS for myself back then.

I've seen this old device about a year ago on clearance sale at one of the small-town radioshack's in Canada. If you find it at any of your radioshack's give it a try. I won't bet it'll work with latest MV versions, but AFAIR last tapes I backed up with it were ca. 1998 releases - which probably had one of the later MV protection versions (at least v.2). And you may always return it to radioshack if it doesnt work for you since they have 30-day return policy.

[lordsmurf]

People often recommend TBC's to defeat macrovision. I believe this advice is incorrect. I don't have a TBC so I can't say for sure. I wouldn't go out and by a TBC for this purpose unless someone can tell you that they have actually backed up a Disney video with that method.

Nothing incorrect about it. I've got two of them, thinking of adding another one (other reasons). Any error, CGM/SA, MV, whatever ... all gone. Disney, Lucas, WB, .... none of them use anything more than artificial video errors.

[tjbecht]

lordsmurf where can i find that tcb or whatever it is

[DereX888]

http://www.videoguys.com/datavid.htm

[lordsmurf]

lordsmurf where can i find that tcb or whatever it is

http://tinyurl.com/36rda

[presto]

Nothing incorrect about it. I've got two of them, thinking of adding another one (other reasons). Any error, CGM/SA, MV, whatever ... all gone. Disney, Lucas, WB, .... none of them use anything more than artificial video errors

Ok. Up till now I hadn't heard anyone specifically saying they had used TBC on a video that was definitely Macrovision protected. I thought Macrovision might do something as simple as having a "flag" that triggered a "refuse to record" circuit in the recording device.

[aguillon]

Fair question indeed about defeating Macrovision. In many ways Macovision does defeat fair use: while your tapes degrade over time or gets moldy, you cannot make a backup copy of it (on a DVD recorder for instance).

I myself use a Canopus ADVC50 to back up tapes to DV codec and then encode them to DVD - pretty good quality. Does defeat macrovision if you remove the last jumper on the card (undocumented feature).

As for ATI, I own a All In Wonder 8500 DV and have not been that impressed with the capture quality (quite fuzzy). Only upside: one of the only true multi standard capture cards: can even capture from Secam L (French Secam) !!

[fmctm1sw]

Nothing incorrect about it. I've got two of them, thinking of adding another one (other reasons). Any error, CGM/SA, MV, whatever ... all gone. Disney, Lucas, WB, .... none of them use anything more than artificial video errors

Ok. Up till now I hadn't heard anyone specifically saying they had used TBC on a video that was definitely Macrovision protected. I thought Macrovision might do something as simple as having a "flag" that triggered a "refuse to record" circuit in the recording device.

It didn't work for me:
https://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=225104&highlight=

I played it back on my Toshiba and it tried to fix it but still was messed up. Am I missing something?

[presto]

I was about to say "I told you so" untill I noticed that you are testing a vcr with built in TBC. Lordsmurf is refering to a stand alone TBC. I don't think they are the same animal.

Still it is a good point that when recommending a TBC this distinction should be made.

[tjbecht]

also what about software that will defeat macro any help

[DereX888]

Currently (or "yet still" I shouldve said) there is no MV-off software working with MMC 8.x or 9.x (and their drivers).
The last MV-defeated drivers/MMC set was with version 7.7 or 7.8 (whatever was last for v.7.x). You can find those files available for download on lordsmurf's site.
You can also experiment with MMC8.x and drivers from MMC7.x as it sure works (I had one of the MMC8.x working with MMC7.x drivers for awhile) however there are some problems in such configuration (particularly with TVGuide+ AFAIR).