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  1. I have this file I converted from Pal to NTSC, it is an mpg file 480x480 . How do I convert that I on a dvd-r disc. I tried SVCD2DVDmpg and that did not work for me has the video very choppy. What is the easiest way to do this.

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    Originally Posted by michaelkap
    I have this file I converted from Pal to NTSC, it is an mpg file 480x480 . How do I convert that I on a dvd-r disc. I tried SVCD2DVDmpg and that did not work for me has the video very choppy. What is the easiest way to do this.

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    Well 480x480 is not a valid resolution for the DVD format.

    For best quality you should go back to your PAL source and convert to NTSC but this time use 720x480 or 352x480 ... which you pick depends on the quality of the source and how long it is because 720x480 will look best if the source quality is high enough otherwise 352x480 is a good alternative especially if the video is over 2 hours as 352x480 needs less bitrate to look good than 720x480

    480x480 is SVCD resolution which really is not compatable with the DVD spec.

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  3. What tool do I use to encode the video?

    I followed the pal to ntsc guide that's how I ended up at 480x480. I tried using the dvd templates in TEMPGenc, but when I correct the audio to match the video, the audio sounds like Mickey Mouse on crack.

    I guess the dilemma I am in is by following the guide and using TMPGenc I end up with an NTSC video but a non-dvd complient video.

    How do you convert a pal source to a ntsc dvd complient source?
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    Here are a couple of usefull links for PAL DVD to NTSC DVD

    1.) http://www.geocities.com/xesdeeni2001/StandardsConversion/

    2.) https://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=160433

    Here is a more recent thread that is still on-going but again it has usefull info in it:

    https://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=211315

    Good Luck

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  5. Ok I got it work but I don't know why. I realized my source was PAL Progressive. I used the below settings and the original audio not the one done thru besweet.

    I changed the framerate so I should have has to use the converted audio so it would sync. I know I shouldn't be complaining because it is working how I want. But I am just curious now on why it works.



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    You need to check off the option in TMPGEnc that says, "DO NOT FRAME RATE CONVERSION" to get a proper 25fps to 23.976fps conversion.

    By doing that you are changing the frame rate from 25fps to 23.976fps by simply slowing it down.

    By NOT checking that option (which is what you did) TMPGEnc will drop frames to match 25fps to 23.976fps

    This can cause choppy playback especially on fast motion scenes since frames were dropped.

    When you do it the proper way (check mark "DO NOT FRAME RATE CONVERSION") then you will need to slow down the audio as well.

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  7. Yeah, but that's the only way I can keep my audio in synch.

    But I did notice something, my pal source length is 42:27 when I convert to 23.976 (29.97 internal) I get a video length of 55:40. That is a twenty percent difference. If I am not mistaken it should come out to be 44:16.

    What am I doing that is making it longer then it should?
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    Originally Posted by michaelkap
    Yeah, but that's the only way I can keep my audio in synch.
    That is why with a PROPER conversion from PAL to NTSC you need to adjust the video AND the audio. There are other methods but if you simply slow the video down from 25fps to 23.976fps then you also need to slow down the audio.

    Originally Posted by michaelkap
    But I did notice something, my pal source length is 42:27 when I convert to 23.976 (29.97 internal) I get a video length of 55:40. That is a twenty percent difference. If I am not mistaken it should come out to be 44:16.

    What am I doing that is making it longer then it should?
    Well this is how you calculate the running time.

    (Original PAL running time in minutes x 25) / 23.976 = NTSC running time

    So using your value for the original PAL running time we get:

    Please note I'm rounding 42min 27sec to 42.5 minutes (which is the same as saying 42min and 30sec).

    42.5 x 25 = 1062.5

    1062.5 / 23.976 = 44.32

    So the NTSC running time after conversion should be 44min and 20 seconds.

    So OK we do match with our calculations (with a few oddball seconds off) but why is your NTSC getting so much longer?

    I don't know. You simply aren't doing something correctly but I'm not sure what.

    If you are willing to deal with AviSynth I can post a script that you can use ... that makes it much easier and more error free ... using the script with TMPGEnc means you have a much simpler life in setting up TMPGEnc for the encode ... not as many options need to be changed in fact if you use AviSynth and the WIZARD MODE in TMPGEnc then it will basically set-itself up the correct way. All you have to do is set up the basics like you normally do ... bitrate ... motion search precision ... etc.

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  9. Yes, if you wouldn't mind posting the script for avisynth. I am just at a loss as to why the video is just being stretched so long.

    I am just curious just so I am on the same page with you on software this what I am using:

    Iso Buster 1.5
    DVD2AVI 1.77.3
    BeSweet 1.4
    BeSweet Gui v0.6
    TMPGEnc 2.521.58.169

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    Originally Posted by michaelkap
    Yes, if you wouldn't mind posting the script for avisynth. I am just at a loss as to why the video is just being stretched so long.

    I am just curious just so I am on the same page with you on software this what I am using:

    Iso Buster 1.5
    DVD2AVI 1.77.3
    BeSweet 1.4
    BeSweet Gui v0.6
    TMPGEnc 2.521.58.169

    Thanks
    Here is the AviSynth script:

    Code:
    LoadPlugin("mpeg2dec3.dll")
    mpeg2source("D:\MOVIE\VIDEO_TS\movie.d2v")
    LanczosResize(720,480)
    AssumeFPS(23.976, true)
    Don't forget to point to mpeg2dec3.dll unless you have it in your Windows System DIR then you can just do it like I did. Also be sure to point to your D2V file and use the proper name.

    Now this looks pretty simple right but the beauty of this script is this ... when you load this into TMPGEnc it will "see" your PAL source as a progressive NTSC source already. Afterall you have already performed the frame size conversion and the framerate conversion in the AviSynth script. So if you use the WIZARD MODE in TMPGEnc it will automatically set itself up for a progressive NTSC encode with 3:2 pulldown.

    Now when you do this you will have to use BeSweet to slow down the audio. The stable version of BeSweet is no good ... you need to use the BETA version. The BeSweet GUI has a built-in option for doing PAL (25fps) to NTSC (23.976fps) conversion. This seems to work best when you convert your original audio to a WAV file first. Then convert the WAV to a new WAV doing the FPS conversion. Then you can convert the corrected WAV to MP2 or AC-3 for the new NTSC DVD

    Please note that DVD2AVI version 1.76 is the best version but if you can get TMPGEnc to work with your D2V file from the newer version then it should be OK ... some people have problems with TMPGEnc reading D2V files from the newer versions of DVD2AVI

    One last note ... if I didn't already mention it ... you will get best quality out of TMPGEnc if you use RGB - PC SCALE as your settings in DVD2AVI but if you use CINEMA CRAFT ENCODER (aka CCE SP or CCE BASIC) then you would want to use YUV - TV SCALE in DVD2AVI

    One last word of warning or advice. This method of conversion works best when the PAL source is a PROGRESSIVE PAL source. In my experience most commercial PAL DVD discs are PROGRESSIVE.

    So if you don't get satisfactory results (such as getting an odd interlaced pattern in the final NTSC MPEG-2 conversion) then it could be because you have an INTERLACED PAL source. In which case there is a totally different AviSynth script.

    So take a short clip and do a sample encode to see how it turns out. If you think it isn't turning out correctly (stuttering movement and/or interlaced artifacts) then you probably have an INTERLACED PAL source and I will post the INTERLACED PAL to INTERLACED NTSC AviSynth script for you. In fact I'll just post that now so you have it if you ever need it ...

    Code:
    LoadPlugin("mpeg2dec.dll")
    LoadPlugin("SmoothDeinterlacer.dll")
    mpeg2source("D:\RING_II\VIDEO_TS\ring2.d2v")
    SmoothDeinterlace(doublerate=true)
    LanczosResize(720,480)
    ChangeFPS(59.94)
    SeparateFields()
    SelectEvery(4,1,2)
    Weave()
    For this script to work correctly you will need the SmoothDeinterlacer plugin and note I used mpeg2dec.dll instead of mpeg2dec3.dll because this script only works properly with AviSynth 2.08 as the SmoothDeinterlacer plugin is an AviSynth 2.x plugin.

    You can get the SmoothDeinterlacer plugin here:

    http://www.geocities.com/xesdeeni2001/StandardsConversion/

    There is an AviSynth 2.5x version of SmoothDeinterlacer but I never could get it to work myself hence my use of the AviSynth 2.08 version

    Oh one more thing ... this second script does the conversion in such a way so that the new NTSC MPEG-2 matches the PAL in running time so there is no need to change the audio using this method.

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  11. I don't relly see that all that stuff is necessary. I did the SAME thing a PAL svcd to an Ntsc svcd using this guide:
    http://www.doom9.org/index.html?/mpg/dvd2svcd-avi.htm

    I even skipped the dvd2avi part (the d2v file creation part)and just converted the m1v (or mpv or whatever video file Tmpenc created after demultiplexing). I followed that guide and chose Ntsc Film from the wizard and made sure the video settings said "3:2 pulldown when playback" and "23.976 fps(internally 29.99fps)" and the advanced setting you check "Do not Frame Rate conversion" just like the guide said. I had to get out of the wizard and use the "unlock" template and change that stuff manually though (possibly because I did not use dvd2avi). I then used besweet to "pulldown" the audio. Multiplexed and stayed in sync just fine.
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    Originally Posted by Gideon25
    I don't relly see that all that stuff is necessary. I did the SAME thing a PAL svcd to an Ntsc svcd using this guide:
    http://www.doom9.org/index.html?/mpg/dvd2svcd-avi.htm

    I even skipped the dvd2avi part (the d2v file creation part)and just converted the m1v (or mpv or whatever video file Tmpenc created after demultiplexing). I followed that guide and chose Ntsc Film from the wizard and made sure the video settings said "3:2 pulldown when playback" and "23.976 fps(internally 29.99fps)" and the advanced setting you check "Do not Frame Rate conversion" just like the guide said. I had to get out of the wizard and use the "unlock" template and change that stuff manually though (possibly because I did not use dvd2avi). I then used besweet to "pulldown" the audio. Multiplexed and stayed in sync just fine.
    By using AviSynth scripting you are no longer "tied" in to using TMPGEnc as your MPEG encoder. These AviSynth scripts will also work with CINEMA CRAFT ENCODER and Mainconcept MPEG encoder ... in short with ANY encoder that works with AviSynth and I just named the big three that do.

    Also the method you described only really works properly if the PAL source is progressive. If the PAL source is truely interlaced then you need to use AviSynth scripting (or a very specialized program ... i.e., not the big three) if you want acceptable results.

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  13. Fulci- Thanks for the help. I learned alot. Thanks for the patience. I am going to put that script to good use. I found a web site that has tutorials for scripting so I am checking that out. Avisynth seems a bit intimidating, but I think I will climb that mountain.

    Gideon-Problem I had was I has an mpeg-2 file that was progressive pal. With the one guide I was able to to take to a 480X480 23.976 file. I did not know about the unlock template until fulci gave me some resorces.

    When I went to take it to DVD standard I was getting sync issues. My video when going to 25-->23.976 (29.97 internal), what should been stretched about 2.5 minutes was being stretched by almost 16 minutes.

    I had to demu. using dvd2avi, then set up a frameserver using virtual dub to spoon feed the frames to TMPGEnc.
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    Originally Posted by michaelkap
    I had to demu. using dvd2avi, then set up a frameserver using virtual dub to spoon feed the frames to TMPGEnc.
    Yes I need to point out that TMPGEnc often has trouble reading D2V files directly when it comes from a "newer" version of DVD2AVI

    It seems that despite many new versions since that DVD2AVI version 1.76 is the best version.

    If fact many up-to-date ripping tools (such as the GORDIAN KNOT package) still come with DVD2AVI version 1.76 for this reason.

    Anyways glad you got it all working and don't let AviSynth scare you ... it is very powerfull in terms of what you can do and it is faster when you open it directly into your encoder rather than using VirtualDub as a frameserver.

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  15. Hi!

    I've been using this avisynth script for converting and it works really good!

    I just have one question now:

    On a dvd that I _know_ is progressive (I de-interlaced it myself when I encoded in tmpgenc), dvd2avi says is interlaced...

    What script should I use? Of course I can try both but... things might look good on computers and not on the finally burned dvd as well all know so I don't wanna waste anymore discs...

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    Originally Posted by sikki_nixx
    Hi!

    I've been using this avisynth script for converting and it works really good!

    I just have one question now:

    On a dvd that I _know_ is progressive (I de-interlaced it myself when I encoded in tmpgenc), dvd2avi says is interlaced...

    What script should I use? Of course I can try both but... things might look good on computers and not on the finally burned dvd as well all know so I don't wanna waste anymore discs...

    //Peter
    DVD2AVI will almost ALWAYS say that a PAL source is INTERLACED even if it really is PROGRESSIVE.

    So after you run it through DVD2AVI you need to watch the D2V frame by frame in something like VirtualDub or Gordian Knot to "eyeball" it in order to verify if it is progressive or interlaced.

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  17. Thank you FulciLives...

    When I load the AVS-file in tmpgenc, do I have to check the "3:2 pulldown" in advanced settings? I read something about it... What exactly does 3:2 pulldown means?
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    Originally Posted by sikki_nixx
    Thank you FulciLives...

    When I load the AVS-file in tmpgenc, do I have to check the "3:2 pulldown" in advanced settings? I read something about it... What exactly does 3:2 pulldown means?
    Well if you are using this AviSynth AVS script ...

    Code:
    LoadPlugin("mpeg2dec3.dll") 
    mpeg2source("D:\MOVIE\VIDEO_TS\movie.d2v") 
    LanczosResize(720,480) 
    AssumeFPS(23.976, true)
    ... the easiest thing to do is use the WIZARD MODE in TMPGEnc because it will "see" the file as progressive NTSC (since you are doing the FPS and FRAME SIZE conversion in the script) and TMPGEnc will set itself up accordingly including 3:2 pulldown.

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  19. Yeah well I did load that script... tmpgenced "thought" it was a non-interlaced NTSC source in 720*480 which I guess is good...
    But 3:2 pulldown in "advanced settings" was not checked by default
    in this case, so my question was if I should check it myself? I have no
    clue what 3:2 pulldown is so I feel a bit lost...
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    Originally Posted by sikki_nixx
    Yeah well I did load that script... tmpgenced "thought" it was a non-interlaced NTSC source in 720*480 which I guess is good...
    But 3:2 pulldown in "advanced settings" was not checked by default
    in this case, so my question was if I should check it myself? I have no
    clue what 3:2 pulldown is so I feel a bit lost...
    No you don't check it on the advanced tab. I don't even know why that is there.

    Go to the VIDEO TAB

    You should see:

    FRAME RATE: 23.976 fps (interally 29.970 fps)
    ENCODE MODE: 3:2 pulldown when playback

    That should be set up like that already using the WIZARD MODE

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  21. Ok I get it now... . Thank you fulcilives.

    You should write a guide for PAL - NTSC conversions! . I've read your posts here about it and they have helped me alot... thank you for your time .
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    Originally Posted by sikki_nixx
    Ok I get it now... . Thank you fulcilives.

    You should write a guide for PAL - NTSC conversions! . I've read your posts here about it and they have helped me alot... thank you for your time .
    I started writing one once a few months back but never finished it ... maybe one day I will ...

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  23. I like avisynth with CCE, just thought TMPGEnc would be simpler. Then again maybe not. If you are converting AVI pal->ntsc you can give my fully automated AVI PAL->NTSC using dvd2svcd using d2sroba a try. Ignore the next post after it where I talk about batch (I have discovered a bug in d2srobas batch mode that screws it up when working with avi -STILL no true batch function for it).

    https://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=212203


    You can use all of that avisynth stuff by merely editing the avistnth.ini file and adding stuff to the pal2ntsc.avs file I said to create.

    I am having some fun with it as I have almost 100 45minute episodes to convert, ALL Pal->Ntsc :P
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