Request for a new Forum

[Bstansbury]

I would like to suggest and request that you consider creating a new forum topic of "Digital Video". Specifically I'm talking about subjects directly related to the creation, transfer and/or capture, editing, authoring, encoding, of Digital Camcorder video to media such as VCD, SVCD, DVD, or just plain MPEG.

Currently, each of the forum in VCDhelp are wide open. In all of them you can basically post on a very wide list of subject. There must be a 1000 different ways to ask on "Editing", everything from VHS, DVD, TV, Digital cable, S-video, AVI data, MPEG date, etc.,etc., etc.

I think this is already such a broad topic there would be plenty of interest.
If you search through just about any current forum, you have to wade through 500 post to find something about DV and exclusively about DV, Transfer, Editing, special effects, titles, authoring, burning, etc.

I really have appreciated VCDhelp over the last 2 years and I've used it alot and will continue to use it. I also think it would be great if there was a Digital Video (DV) forum. After all , why do we have 12+ fourms right now. It helps people narrow down their search for information on their subjects and needs.

Like many people that use this web site, I don't have unlimited time, and I really don't have the time to read 57 post just to try and find one post that may have some piece of information I need. I also think this goes two ways. Many people that post in todays forums don't give a damm about my problems of getting good SVCD or DVD out of my camcorder and encoded to a DVD. They are on a completely different plane and don't want to have to read my posts at all.

At least we could have a discussion about this on the site.

Thanks
Bud

[adam]

I don't really know what you would do with DV sources except convert them to the typical outputs that we already have forums for. So I'd tend to disagree with you if it wasn't for the fact that you can't search for DV in the forum cause searches must be at least 3 letters. I can see how a DV forum would be nice but I can also see how it might be too much of an overlap with other forums. I don't know, its Baldrick's call. Nice to see someone else here interested in DV though.

[ChrisX]

Why, another forum? We have too many here now, over 30.

I don't think Baldrick can put everything just in specific interest. DV overlaps with these forums below.

There is a general for capturing, another one for Editing, cutting and joining and lastly DVD to (S)VCD, AVI or DVD to DVDR. Advanced conversion is another forum.

This is five forums and you have use the search for something in specific in what you are looking for.

We have enough forums to go through anyway. Good suggestion though on DV. Why don't you ask Baldrick?

[offline]

I think DV rates its own forum in terms of movie making. While there will be some cannibalization from the other topics - DV and the creative process involved would be best expressed in a single forum.

I notice there are few, if any, dicussions about DV cameras, lighting, sound, special effects, story board techniques etc. Such discussions would be encouraged should DV have its own community. It would broaden the appeal of the site IMHO.

So Baldrick, what about a trial run?

DV Movie Making: Everything about Digital video movie making and the creative process including DV Cameras and Equipment, Production and Editing. But no Conversion, Authoring, DVD Ripping related, DivX/VCD/SVCD or Standalone questions here.

[racer-x]

I agree. There should be a forum dedicated to DV only. Not everyone is interested in copying DVDs and converting downloaded divix files. Some of us actually like editing and creating DVDs with our own material. At least it's perfectly legal.

I have a bit of experience in DV and I like reading about other experiences and technics.

[Will Hay]

Virtually everything I do now is either via my ADVC-100 or my Sony MiniDV; a good idea.
Will

[Baldrick]

you can search for dv, dv in the capturing forum
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&domains=www.dvdrhelp.com&as_qdr=a...w.dvdrhelp.com


I don't see why you would an own forum dv editing,special effects, authoring and burning?
Maybe a new forum for advanced editing for home movie makers would be goood.

[MrMungus]

you can search for dv, dv in the capturing forum
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&domains=www.dvdrhelp.com&as_qdr=a...w.dvdrhelp.com


I don't see why you would an own forum dv editing,special effects, authoring and burning?
Maybe a new forum for advanced editing for home movie makers would be goood.

My $.02.

At first I thought it was a bad idea. But now I'm thinking a forum named "Video Production" *might* be a good idea (if you can keep it from being too general). Limit it to everything from camera, lighting, shooting, to editing files into a final form that's ready to convert/burn (which would be covered in the other forums).

[Sugar]

I second the idea.

Over the last year or so, we have seen an increasing number of forum activity relating to DVD ripping. The few of us still interested in video editing are diluted among the other topics.

Yet I see Baldrick point, and the fact that existing forums cover all topics.

While I would love to see a new topic dedicated to DV/video production, here is another suggestion:I noticed that the header of some topic are in bold and differnet color, like MAC. Is this something we could apply to DV/video...

[Bstansbury]

For Baldrick; Your comment was;


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don't see why you would an own forum dv editing,special effects, authoring and burning?
Maybe a new forum for advanced editing for home movie makers would be goood.

The answer is,... doing these things with Digital Video it a lot different that just about any other format. To start with, a large percentage of the job is not Capture,... It is transfer of DV in DV format. While there are some people who are having problems with this, I think the majority of the systems will transfer at max rate and never drop one byte. For those of us with High quality camcorders, we want to get the max out of what we have and it is very hard to find discussion without reading 50 posts in "Capture" or "advanced conversion" , etc. There is not one guide on the tools site that deals with Camcorder to DVD. I guess my big problem now is not finding good information on how to get rid of interlace effect in my 720x480 DV format, so I can produce clear DVD MPEG files.

If it were film I could follow IVTC guides, but Camcorders only interlace the video so it can be displayed on TV. I wish they had included a Firewire port of Digital data that was progressive,... but my understanding of what goes on inside a camcorder is that they actually capture the digital video a field at a time, because of the size of the Photosensitive CCD.

Anyway, I see that there are several votes for trying this out. Lets see how many people vote for it.

[Baldrick]

I'm not talking about the capturing/transfering and encoding, that maybe I can make a special forum for....but I don't want to include editing,authoring and burning.

[ChrisX]

Anyway, I see that there are several votes for trying this out. Lets see how many people vote for it.

Where is the poll, there isn't a vote here?

[Will Hay]

Anyway, I see that there are several votes for trying this out. Lets see how many people vote for it.

Where is the poll, there isn't a vote here?

He was speaking hyper-thet-ically!
Will

[ChrisX]

The answer is,... doing these things with Digital Video it a lot different that just about any other format.

To start with, a large percentage of the job is not Capture,... It is transfer of DV in DV format. While there are some people who are having problems with this, I think the majority of the systems will transfer at max rate and never drop one byte. For those of us with High quality camcorders, we want to get the max out of what we have and it is very hard to find discussion without reading 50 posts in "Capture" or "advanced conversion" , etc. There is not one guide on the tools site that deals with Camcorder to DVD. I guess my big problem now is not finding good information on how to get rid of interlace effect in my 720x480 DV format, so I can produce clear DVD MPEG files.

OK, DV is different. All this seems to me as very general and the problems you quoted as very typical with any capturing, doesn't matter whether as digital or analog, the interlacing is typical of the TV systems used as such not really 100% digital. NTSC is as such worse than PAL.

Your camcorder isn't progressive? Years will go by before we will have a superior progressive high definition DV recording?

The transferring of videos to DVDR as also very general and can be from any source including DV.

I can't see any real need to have a special DV forum as the issues do overlap with the others.

Baldrick suggested to little forum as discussion on DV only and this is fine. This is up to Baldrick?

[racer-x]

Chriscjgs, why are you so against a DV forum only? If you don't do DV, then don't worry about it. Unless you think all the talent will hang out there and you'll be left out.

Bstansbury has valid points. DV has its own advantages and limitations and is unique. Many people buy Mini DV-Cams and would like to learn what they can do with them. I can't tell you how many times I was going to answer a post about AVI editing only to find out it was a dam Divix file. Bstansbury has a question about getting a clean interlace artifact free video from his camcorder, where can he post that question?


Bstansbury,
If your camera shoots in frame mode, you may have some options. Post your camera specs, maybe I can help somehow.

[Bstansbury]

Hey, guys, gals, thanks for the support,... and I also respect the views of others. When I first thought of this I said to myself,... Hell,... who wants or needs another forum. Then I thought about it and realized it is just another folder in the filling cabinet,... who could really object to that. I mean, if it really helps out a few people,... isn't this what this web site is all about,...helping people out,... focusing. With the number of people that surf this site, like 100,000+ what if there were only one forum and every body had posed there. The answer is, none of us have that much time or patients to wade through that much data. Right now I look at the "Capture" forum and there are over 15,000 topics and 73,559 posts.

I'm getting to be an old man,... don't have that much time left. I'd like to get my Granddaughters pictures, videos produced into a DVD before she gets to be a teenager and won't set still for a video. My wife and I were married in Germany and I still have 3000 slides of Europe that I want to convert into a narrated DVD video before the slides turn to dust. I need all the time I have. I suspect there are many people with the same or similar problems. Nobody has time to spare.

What could it hurt.

[ChrisX]

Chriscjgs, why are you so against a DV forum only?

Not really, a discussion on DV only is suffice. What is the difference between capturing and digital video? He can post in there, "Capturing".

Chris

[Bstansbury]

In the last post by Chrisjgs;

racer-x wrote:
Chriscjgs, why are you so against a DV forum only?


Not really, a discussion on DV only is suffice. What is the difference between capturing and digital video? He can post in there, "Capturing".

"Whats the difference"..... I guess you didn't even read my last post. Do you have the time to search throught 15,ooo topics and 77,000+ post just to find out that in Digital Video, there is no "Capture". It is nothing like the analog world.

I have yet to hear one word on how this would change your life. Whats your problem. You must already have the ability to read the difference in the forum titles like, Cpature, editing, Advanced conversion,.... so what if you see another one call "Digital Video Processing", or something like that. Maybe you could just ignore it and "never read it or post anything to it,.... we might not even miss you.

Wow,.... I just had a meltdown,... and after two more margaritas I'll be back to normal. Excuse the outburst,... I hate it when my glass is half full.

[lordsmurf]

I think it's unnecessary. Most DV concepts overlap in other areas. Shooting techniques is the only thing not covered here already.

The info you seek is already here. You just don't like the organization.

[ChrisX]

In the last post by Chrisjgs;

racer-x wrote:
Chriscjgs, why are you so against a DV forum only?

Not really, a discussion on DV only is sufficed. What is the difference between capturing and digital video? He can post in there, "Capturing".

"What’s the difference"..... I guess you didn't even read my last post. Do you have the time to search through 15,000 topics and 77,000+ posts just to find out that in Digital Video, there is no "Capture". It is nothing like the analog world.

No one got the time to go through thousands of topics and posts. You have to post a specific problem you got and this the quickest way.

I've read your issues and I know what you’re talking about and DVDRHelp.com got too many forums, over 30+.

If you search through just about any current forum, you have to wade through 500 post to find something about DV and exclusively about DV, Transfer, Editing, special effects, titles, authoring, burning, etc.

This is an example of something very general, not only on DV. There are already forums for all this and as an overlap. Why another forum?

What’s your problem? .... We might not even miss you..

The problem is you, not me. Ask Baldrick, of your problem. I don't have time for your whining and I don't care if you hate me.

Excuse the outburst,... I hate it when my glass is half full.

You must have a very bad temper, cool it.

I might as well not say any more.

Regards
Chris

[Red96TA]

I voted 'yea' on the poll to have a DV forum...I just got a JVC GR-DV500 and want to know things about doing small productions....lighting, camera angles, importing, etc.

[racer-x]

I have an idea.
We allready have a Camcorder forum that doesn't get a lot of traffic, why not rename it something like Camcorder & Digital Video Only. We can post anything that relates to DV in there. Like Shooting, lighting, camcorder settings, editing and all processes needed to get the footage to final DVD. Only Digital Video stuff alowed, No analog captures. No Divix conversions.

That way you won't have to create a new forum.

[Gazorgan]

Maybe a section for reviews, like DVD Players. Most people would be appalled to learn their $1000 DV cameras is a true POS. I mean if it's expensive it must be good, right?

I didn't learn how bad some of them are until I settup a friend to capture DV. He's band from Best Buy for so many returns of 'defective cameras'. :P

[Will Hay]

Maybe one of the mods could add a link to the initial post, linking to the poll (where it seems to be discussed in the same if not greater depth)>
Will Hay

[Bstansbury]

I've looked over this relpy section and I don't see any way now to start a "Poll". I guess it has to be done when you first start the thread.

Maybe one of the moderators could find a way.... and if not they could let me know and I'll start a new thread with a poll.

I like the last idea posted in this tread, the possibility of renaming the existing forum for camcorders. I don't think it would affend many that are using that forum, since just about everyone that would use the new version would be discussing or asking question related to DV, camcorders, and how to use every part of them. Then again,... I didn't think so many poeple would be upset by the idea of another forum,....Ha,

This web site continues to remind me, like most things in life, just how different people really are.

[Will Hay]

Maybe one of the mods could add a link to the initial post, linking to the poll (where it seems to be discussed in the same if not greater depth)
Will Hay

I'll do it myself (considering the post above)
Click here, the poll started without you!
Will Hay

[Bstansbury]

Wiil Hay,... Gosh,... you're too fast for me. Before I had read your post saying you had created the poll,... I went to the "Camcorder" forum,... oh by the way,... that is in the "Hardware Section" in the basement, and added a POLL.

I'm not sure I want to thank you for your quick effort,... since you voted against it,.... but only after to had taken a "Political Poll", but I do thank you.

Let' see after a couple of days or even a week what happens.

[Will Hay]

Wiil Hay,... Gosh,... you're too fast for me.

That's what I'm known for, that and being disliked
I know, you're thinking "...Will Hay unpopular? I can't understand that"
Me neither

oh by the way,... that is in the "Hardware Section" in the basement

I'm not sure I want to thank you for your quick effort

Why, are you a communist?
What, did you expect widespread support, on here, dvdrhelp.com?
Oh my!

Anyway, I did only respond to the question asked

For what its worth, a forum for "creation, shooting, lighting, effects, sharing" is something that I don't see much of on the site.
If there's demand for it then sure.

Had the question been 'do you think a DV forum would be beneficial to some of the members here then I would have voted yes

Let' see after a couple of days or even a week what happens.

I think the camcorder forum will be amended, but as you say, we shall see
Will Hay, UK Democrat

[Baldrick]

camcorder=>dv

should I move all new dv related topics from the capturing forum to the dv forum?

[Baldrick]

is it okey to discuss analog capturing using a dv converter(like the cunupus advx1000) in the dv forum? no. okey.