music copyright infringement

[jeex]

do you consider people who download music files that they do not own an original of from p2p services (and other places) to be commiting theft or copyright infringement?

please vote in poll.

i dont believe that this falls under the "warez" catagory of the rules.. since i'm not advocating warez, providing warez, or linking to warez.. i'm just curious as to what people think..

[defense]

your missing an option....how bout a third option that says (Nothing wrong with d/lng MP3's ETC from those p2p sites....it's perfectly legal in my book..or something to that affect.

That's still not promoting warez...that's simply someones opinion. Now if they said they routinetly d/l'd those types of files...that would be Warez...but the option of their "THOUGHTS" on the topic are NOT warez.

I think you should put that third option in. Would be interesting to see where the majority stands on their "thoughts" on that topic.

[flaninacupboard]

i'm perfectly aware that it's copyright infringement, and also theft of IP. the third option should be "both you dumbass, but i don't believe it to be un-ethical or immoral" and fourth "of course it's illegal, so you should BURN IN HELL!"

I invite the entertainment industry to examine my DVD cabinet, my CD rack, my gamecube/playstation/PC games rack, my laserdisc rack and my LP rack and finally my bank balance, and tell me that i'm costing them millions a year. i only download that which i cannot afford, and even then it's only -until- i can afford it. as i said, my bank balance is proof of that

[ChrisX]

It is really both as theft and copyright infringement.

I voted as an infringement of copyright due being distributed and downloaded as an Mp3 file online into someone's computer without paying for it without authority and as such illegal.

This can be as theft as well without purchase of music such as a CD or an approved paid music downloaded file.

Anyway jeex, where is the third question in your poll such as nothing illegal and the right thing to do.

[SquirrelDip]

Wouldn't the person posting the file be Copyright Infringement and the person downloading it be Theft?

However, I think the poll is kind of silly - Deep down I think we all believe it is wrong. But we've all been doing this kind of thing for years, haven't you ever:

- recorded a CD to tape...
- recorded a movie from TV to your VCR
- recorded music/program off the radio
- borrowed a book from the library
- photocopied an artical in a book/magazine
- (I'm sure you can think of many others)

Does this make it right? Probably not... IMO the RIAA is just pissed that people have better places to spend their money, DVD's - Playstation - X-Box - GameCube - etc... aren't cheap...

[vitualis]

- recorded a CD to tape...
- recorded a movie from TV to your VCR

Both the above is under fair use and not illegal.

- recorded music/program off the radio

I'm actually not entirely sure about this one but it is probably not illegal as long as you don't distribute the music.

- borrowed a book from the library

The library will have to have license agreements.

- photocopied an artical in a book/magazine

Under fair use as long as you are doing it for certain purposes.

The comparison is not the same.

p2p distribution of music is a breach of copyright and probably theft. The main difference between this and "getting stuff off radio", etc., is that the copyright owner still controls the avenue of distribution. Radio broadcasters have to buy licenses for broadcasting their music. p2p distribution is more like people trading music by tapes -- except on a much larger scale.

In terms of the legality, it is obviously wrong. Whether it actually makes any impact on profits is questionable, however (more than likely not).

Regards.

[poopyhead]

- recorded music/program off the radio

I'm actually not entirely sure about this one but it is probably not illegal as long as you don't distribute the music.

i believe this is still considered illegal, but that the quality of the recording is not nearly as good as CD quality, the recording studios just didn't bother

- photocopied an artical in a book/magazine

Under fair use as long as you are doing it for certain purposes.

i believe as long as you cite the sources properly, it should be fine.

p2p distribution of music is a breach of copyright and probably theft.

what about legit music on the P2P networks??? these P2P are good avenues for new-commers to spread their music, and also to encourage ppl to pay $$ for concerts (which, i believe, is what big name artists should be concentrating on anwayz)

The main difference between this and "getting stuff off radio", etc., is that the copyright owner still controls the avenue of distribution.

well....there's a big quality difference between recordings off the radio and .mp3s compressed directly from the source CD.

[SquirrelDip]

Maybe I should have added "and give it to a friend" to my examples above... This would have pulled it more in-line with p2p.

I agree totally that MP3 is of much higher quality (and most definitely why the current concern) but theft is theft.

I wish I could quote the source but I recal reading that much concern was originally given to Libraries and their legality - laws have been changed over the years to suit such borrowing.

[MOVIEGEEK]

C.both

If you don't own the original on CD and you didn't write the song(or get permission) it is a copyright infringement and therefore theft.

[mysticgohan17]

If it isnt for sale in a retailer or has been discontinued, etc. Its fair game.

[Tommyknocker]

your missing an option....how bout a third option that says (Nothing wrong with d/lng MP3's ETC from those p2p sites....it's perfectly legal in my book..or something to that affect.

That's still not promoting warez...that's simply someones opinion. Now if they said they routinetly d/l'd those types of files...that would be Warez...but the option of their "THOUGHTS" on the topic are NOT warez.

I think you should put that third option in. Would be interesting to see where the majority stands on their "thoughts" on that topic.

It looks like he is "cooking" his poll. Asking only the questions he wants numbers for. Then he truthfully say that everyone he has polled either thinks this it is either theft or copyright infringement. There is not even an undecided choice. I do hope he will forgive me for not voting either way. I resent being forced fed any choice I do not agree with.

[jeex]

this just in!

a whopping 87% of dvdrhelp.com members think its okay to steal music, they say "its just copyright infringment"

while a measily 12% think stealing music is wrong.

1% remain unaccounted for.

this just goes to show us that music has brought a serious moral decline on this world of ours..

i say we put an end to music, it will lower teen pregnancy, reduce crime, and stop artists from being stolen from..

[in response to me 'cooking' the poll]