dvd-r to dvd-r...

[robmcw]

okay.

so i've made a bunch of dvd-r's with my pioneer a05. my hard drive will not have space to accomidate all of them and i will eventually need to make copies of these, my copies of the dvds. and some i will have to copy very frequently. so, i'm looking for some faster ways to copy my dvd-r's than ripping them to the hard drive and then burning the disc.

i've read that with any dvd drive the ripping speed is stuck around 2.1x because the recorded material on it is harded for the drive to pick up than commercially pressed dvd's. so getting a regular dvd-rom drive will not help me rip faster. but this brought me to the idea that i could simply copy the dvd's from a dvd-rom drive to the dvd-r recorder. since the reading speed is around 2x i would be able to record the material at 2x? thus taking about 30 minutes to copy the dvd. instead of an hour of ripping and burning... if this would work please let me know. i know it works for cds but dvds might be different for some reason.

thank you and sorry this was so long!
any help is greatly appreciated!!!

Robby.

[poopyhead]

should work...like burning CD-Rs on the fly

[jarvis1781]

works very well in NERO actually

i copy on the fly from an external Pioneer 115 via USB 2.0 to my internal writer SONY DRU-500A on the fly at 2X, works like a charm.

give it a go! hope you have a fast system though, it is a lot of data transfer and would suck to get errors as media is not as cheap as CDR's

[poopyhead]

give it a go! hope you have a fast system though, it is a lot of data transfer and would suck to get errors as media is not as cheap as CDR's

i would assume his dvd burner has some sort of buffer underrun protection

[jarvis1781]

give it a go! hope you have a fast system though, it is a lot of data transfer and would suck to get errors as media is not as cheap as CDR's

i would assume his dvd burner has some sort of buffer underrun protection

we are always free to ASSume what we want

[txpharoah]

Try to keep your DVD-ROM on one internal IDE channel, and the DVD-R on another. That's the optimum setup. I copy DVD-R to DVD-R at 4x on-the-fly all the time with no errors. Pioneer -ROM and Pioneer -R. Note that some -ROM drives suck at data read speeds and will underrun. I suggest a good ROM for anything over 1x (Pioneer, Sony, few others), otherwise underrun protection will kick in, and it's only PROTECTION (resistance), not COASTER-PROOF. You can still lose discs with underruns, "protected" or not.

[poopyhead]

we are always free to ASSume what we want

[Vejita-sama]

Yeah, this could work but I really would not recommend it. It's better use a program like DVD Decrypter to rip an ISO image, and then burn the image.

The 2x rip speed is set only certain (most drives), but not all. No a forum search, I have a Lite-on 16x DVD-ROM drive that will rip DVD5 discs at 11-15.5x, and DVD9 discs at 6-9x.

Copying on the fly is a little risky with DVD, with that said there are people that do it with out problems (not sure if they do so at 4x thou).

[robmcw]

thank you everyone...

to txpharoah
what dvd rom drive do you have?
i thought all rom drives could only rip dvd-r's at 2x... but the pioneer you have can do it at 4x?

[jarvis1781]

@rob

ripping and burning is different

i sometimes hit 15.6X when ripping a DVD-5

BURNING speed is currently limited to 4X until they get the new 8X drives out

[Gurm]

Yah Rob, I dunno where you heard that nonsense.

DVD-R can be read nearly (if not entirely) as fast as originals.

Sometimes faster... my copy of "The Little Mermaid" can be read in a fraction of the time the original could, because Disney PURPOSELY makes their DVD's hard to read.

*spit* bastiges

- Gurm

[SaSi]

The postings made me curious.

So I took a DVD+R just recorded in 4X speed and put it on the DVD-ROM (a Pioneer 116) and started ripping with DVDDecrypter first. Speed was ranging between x1.9 and x2.1. Strange.

Then I dropped DVD Decrypter and used Explorer. It seemed to take some time so I checked the process in Task Manager and Bytes Read showed a constant 2~3 Mb/sec. Strange.

Then I dropped Explorer and opend a dos prompt and used XCopy to copy the DVD VIDEO_TS folder contents to a drive. I watched the process reading almost 3.5~4Mb/sec. This throughput equals almost 2.8x DVD Recording speed.

I have copied several DVDRs on the fly to another DVDR at 2X recording speed and never had any concern. I even did other things on the computer (not disk or CPU intensive though). It appears that I cannot copy the DVDRs at 4X.

To avoid confusion, I've been happily ripping single side non-protected pressed DVD_Video disks at more than 10x sustained speed (I can remember figures like 14x) and the typical protected single layer ones at more than 8x sustained. Dual layer protected ones rip at something between 4~5x on average, unless they are scratched.

So the lesson, to me, is: DVDR to DVDR on the fly is possible at 2x recording speed. To do 4x recording (by storing on disk in a temp folder) is meaningless, since it will take 25 minutes to copy to disk and another 15 min or so to record at 4X, while on the fly at 2x will take half an hour.

[txpharoah]

to txpharoah
what dvd rom drive do you have?
i thought all rom drives could only rip dvd-r's at 2x... but the pioneer you have can do it at 4x?

I'm not ripping. I'm copying. There's a difference.
I've got a Pioneer DVD-118 and a Pioneeer DVR-105.
They copy 4x on-the-fly perfectly.

The data speed is 128.0x (info from Nero) on the Pioneer ROM drive, and the -R burner is about 4.3x to write.