getting closer to dvd2one for osx!

[the future]

The developers of dvd2one are now actually trying to make a version for mac osx!! If you would like to show them your support for their effort, go to

http://club.cdfreaks.com/showthread.php?s=f52c30f0f338651c7e0b7a764b656078&threadid=65737

and post something encouraging!!

[AntnyMD]

The other rather fabulous, but rarely mentioned application for DVD2one is that you can go and shoot your DV movies, edit them in Premiere or Final Cut, then compress them and author them as highest quality DVDs, which will often be greater than 4 gig ... then use DVD2one to crunch them down to consumer size media. Surely the encoding would go faster in Quicktime Pro (perhaps slightly better than real time) if you were compressing at 9.5Mbps instead of 4.5Mbps.

[the future]

The developers now have the dvd2one engine working on their G4!! This means there is a 99,99% chance there will be a mac osx version of it, and probably rather soon!!!! Use the link in the first post to read for yourself!

[bilestyle]

the really sad thing about all of this is people are getting overly excited for something 99% of them have never seen the ouput of, or even tried themselves. eventhough most public reviews bloat and boast dvd2one as one of the best things since sliced bread, but what u dont see every day is someone give it a not so solid review (believe it or not there have been people that did NOT like the output they got from the software).. im not going to judge one way or another (since i like most of you have never used it before), but its been my experience that no one is ever satisfied-- im willing to bet a large portion of money that whenever dvd2one makes it to the mac, the mac community at large will find SOMETHING to complain about.

[the future]

I have seen the output and I think it's very good. If you need PERFECT (original) quality, you can (and should) use disco+.

Of course some people will complain, simply because some people will ALWAYS complain, but have you read pc forums lately, for example even those concerning dvd2one? The bitching and moaning that's going on there is on a completely different level IMO.

So I think it's very wrong to accuse the mac community to be especially prone to moaning. Quite the opposite, actually. A lot of PC users seem to be much more rude (and spoilt by the vast range of software they get to choose from most of the time).

[mcrispin]

I've seen the output too, for both compressed movies, and episode DVD's that compress the entire disc preserving menus as well - it's good enough. There is little discernable audio drop-off and while I can tell the slight drop-off in video quality, most people - non-computer types and computer types - can't really tell the difference. True, dvd2one is not a panacea, but again, not to besmirch the great efforts of those who've worked so hard on good products like 42 and Sizzle - but we are missing the damn point here:

There is NOT a reliable 1:1 dvd backup solution for dvd-9's on the mac that is consumer friendly. Repeat: IT DOESN"T EXIST.

When end user Jane puts in a seach from her mac on how to back-up her dvd's - what do you think she'll find? a garbled bunch of protracted over-complicated topics on forums like these. Will she spend the 47 euros for a three step solution that results in slightly diminished but nevertheless as permanent and viewable results? You bet your arse.

[AntnyMD]

To keep things based in reality, for the record DVD2one does no audio processing -- it merely passes through the selected soundtrack(s) to the crunched output. DVD2one only does its squeeze on the video content. If the video content itself plus selected audio/subtitle tracks will fit onto consumer DVD-R, there is no recompression of the video content -- its all passed through to final output with original chaptering and selectable audio and subtitles entact. This is exactly the goal of all these still rather time-consuming (and some still complex) Mac OS X solutions currently available. All except Disco+, although simple, seems to think spreading one movie (with no original chaptering, no multiple audio tracks or single-disc ease-of-use) over more than one disc is ideal. If that were so, VCD movies would still be the format of choice. They're not.

From my research into DVD2one for PC complaints, it seems the complainers fall into two camps: people who still fully expect DVD-9 content to copy 1:1, which is just not possible since there is no consumer DVD-9, or consumer burners to produce such disks; and people who attempt to use DVD2one for PC to compress to SVCD-type bitrates.

For Mac OS X users who are fully satisfied with the quality that encoders like mpeg2enc and Apple MPEG-2 Encoder yield, they will probably always believe they're better. For the record I was previously satisfied with those solutions until I tried DVD2one in my Virtual PC environment. For better quality and, on a G3, real-time DVD2one crunches are worth their price in gold for [a] simplicity and [b] time saved.

[bilestyle]

So I think it's very wrong to accuse the mac community to be especially prone to moaning. Quite the opposite, actually. A lot of PC users seem to be much more rude (and spoilt by the vast range of software they get to choose from most of the time).

hey i didnt say NO one had seen the output of dvd2one.. i was just sayin no matter where you get in the whole scheme of things people ALWAYS wany more and always find something to complain about... i'm sorry i've just worked on too many projects over the past 2 years or so and dealt with SOOOO much bickering that its left me somewhat sour...i'll admit i overgeneralized by saying the mac community on a whole..so i apologize in that regard.. dont get me wrong i've heard a lot good about dvd2one so im interested to try it.-- i just dont want to see everyone get all excited and up in arms, to only find something to complain about again. And to be 100% honest i really am satisifed with the other processes that i use to get my desired end result. But i guess im one of the few that doesnt really care about menus and extra bonus materials and all that stuff.

[the future]

I don't care about menus and bonus material either. In 'normal' mode dvd2one won't keep any of them. Furthermore you can deselect any audio and/or subtitle track you don't need to save space for the video track.

The new 'full disc' mode keeps menus and bonus materials etc. I haven't seen it's output yet, but I imagine the video quality will be a lot worse. IMO this mode only makes sense for TV/episodic DVDs where you don't have 1 important/main video track but several.

Regarding your personal experiences I completely understand that it makes you angry when you put a lot of work into projects and all people will do is complain. I believe for every person complaining there are probably several people completely satisfied and grateful with/for what you've done – only they just use it and remain silent. Which is especially wrong in the area of free-/shareware where the developers really need any support they can get.

[AntnyMD]

The new 'full disc' mode keeps menus and bonus materials etc. I haven't seen it's output yet, but I imagine the video quality will be a lot worse. IMO this mode only makes sense for TV/episodic DVDs where you don't have 1 important/main video track but several.

The quality isn't that much worse. When expectations are kept reasonable, one will realize that cramming 8 gigs of data into 4.3 gigs of space will have some quality issues. Being able to back up the Six Feet Under discs on a 1:1 disc basis is a pretty big plus.

According to something I read in the DVD2one forums, it seems the program treats the main title set differently from the bonus materials title sets when set to Full Disk mode. I don't know how it determines whats the movie and whats the trailer, except for perhaps duration. When in Full Disk mode, the software attempts to allocate more disk space to the movie and less to the special features. When last I crunched a 7.9gig DVD, it actually made a final output just a couple hairs too large for a consumer DVD ... Thankfully even in Full Disk mode, the target size can be adjusted.

[expo]

I've used DVD2one on my PC. The results are REALLY good. The "normal" DVD-watcher will find probably nothing to complain about. People watching the quality with magnifying lenses will probably find things to complain about. These are also the ones that thinks that DVD2one "cheats". They might even have their own product that they will try to look better in comparison. Who cares if it "cheats" or not. It's simple, really simple. It's fast, really fast. Chapters, audio of choice, full disc if wanted. THAT is what most of us waits for on the mac ripping scene.

In "full disc" mode, DVD2one compresses the extra material at a greater ratio than the movie. This what I've read. So quality loss shouldn't be that noticable.

And people, when DVD2one for Mac OS X hit the shelves, please buy it and support the developers. Show them it's was worth developing the app for OS X. Don't steal it (even if I don't think a lot of people here would though...). [/b]

[pepe]

All I can tell is that as soon as I can try DVD2ONE and if I find that it works "good enough" I'll buy it.
I will NOT wait until it has ALL the features that I could want, instead I'll buy a license and eventually post my sugestion to the programers.

Why? Simple. I realy would like a Mac OS X DVD app that even my brother could use!

[the future]

As someone metioned in another thread: now there is a screenshot of a future osx version of dvd2one in the dvd2one forum. Just use the link in the first post of this thread.

It looks pretty similar to the PC version, only nicer, of course (brushed metal, anyone?). It seems to have all the functionss of the most recent PC version (1.1.1), too, as one can obviously choose between 'film only' and 'full disc' modes. All told, it looks very promising IMO.

Getting closer indeed...