lite on 166s - last time ever

[kcalczab]

why do i come here??

my 166s only rips at x2 - i was happy with x2 until someone said they get x10!!

ive upgraded to ds14 and still on x2

ive turned dma off and still x2

is there any way to tell if its capped at x2

oh, and i come here coz its nice!!

any help well received - cheers

win 98 - 400 processor - 438 sdram is it helps?

[Bondiablo]

Whoever said they got 10x was probably ripping a DVD that had no copy protection or multiple angles or anything like that. 2x seems a little low but 3 or 4x sounds about right.

[Dubber]

Why did ya turn DMA off? Turn it back ON!!! Reboot after.

On the other hand, your CPU and prolly older and slow HD limit you as well.

[defense]

kcalzb...stay posted to this thread...I have got a method that SHOULD get your 166s ripping at insane speeds. Give me an hour or so and check back.

[kcalczab]

you da man

(does it mean buying a new pc though??)

[defense]

kcalzb..no..it doesn't mean buying a new pc. I can VERIFY AND SAY 100% that the 166s is NOT locked at 2x ripping speeds. Maybe with your original firmware it is...but not with a few tweaks. I need to try something first..when I do I will let you know....but that drive can rip in excess of 15.6x. That is now a known fact.


Kcalzb..a few quick questions for you. One, what version of firmware came with your version and which do you currently have now?

Also, when you play a movie in your 166s and stop the movie and hit the eject button on your drive, can you still hear your drive spinning 3 or 4 seconds more, after it has opened? let me know

[Bob W]

Something wrong that you can't rip faster than 2x. I have a Liteon 163D drive and it rips dual layer DVD at 5 to 8x and single layer at 8 to as high as 15x on my P4-2.53GHz system with winxp. On a second system an AMD Duron 1400+ (950MHz) win2000 system I have some cheap DVD drive and that one rips dual layer at 3 to 5.5X.

[kcalczab]

Kcalzb..a few quick questions for you. One, what version of firmware came with your version and which do you currently have now?

Also, when you play a movie in your 166s and stop the movie and hit the eject button on your drive, can you still hear your drive spinning 3 or 4 seconds more, after it has opened? let me know

came with 8 - now has 14

and yes, sounds like it spins after you eject

thanks so much for the time you spending on this. if there is anything i can ever, please just ask

[crazeplaya]

I have heard a rumour that the 166 only rips at 2x in Windows '98. Check here for firmware updates http://digi.rpc1.org/0page.htm which could help

[crazeplaya]

Whoever said they got 10x was probably ripping a DVD that had no copy protection or multiple angles or anything like that. 2x seems a little low but 3 or 4x sounds about right.

LiteOn drives are well known as being the fastest out there for ripping DVDs (including those with copy protection!)

[BarryHL]

Liteon drives are great. I usually get about 8x for ripping DVD video but it does sometimes go up to 16x if there is little protection.

Best Regards.

Barry

[defense]

kcalczab...ok....here is what I suggest you try. This is what worked for me and I now have the 166S drive and NOT the 163D drive. This drive is even smoother, I just had to make sure I could rip at insane speeds with this drive. The first thing you should do is go back and make sure your drive is in DMA mode or ULTRA DMA. Make sure you aren't in PIO mode, and DO NOT have DMA disabled.


Next, download MtkWinflash, and then go to the BINARY page and DOWNLOAD the BINARY version of the DS14 firmware. The intructions on how to use MtkWinFlash and the .bin you will download are on the same site you've been downloading from. Digi's site...the one crazeplaya linked. NOTE: BEFORE UPDATING ANY FIRMWARE MAKE SURE YOU DON'T HAVE ANY DISKS IN THE DRIVE! I'm thinking you may of upgraded with one of these firmware flashes and had a disk in the drive. Just make sure you don't. Next, use MTKWINFLASH in ATAPI mode, NOT IDE mode. It will show you your drives, if you don't have a burner or another cd or dvd rom drive, then the only one that it will show is your LITEON. If you have others, just select the liteon in the drop down box.

Next, hit FLASH, give it a few seconds to complete, once you see it is done, reboot your machine. Test out an ORIGINAL DVD-5 disk FIRST. Not a DVD-9 and NOT a DVD you made a backup of. Just test out an ORIGINAL DVD-5. See how fast the drive rips. It should increase a little when you do that. Meaning you should get up to 4x if you wait for a few minutes.

Finally, to complete the process, go back to the digi site, download the WINDOWS based version of DS14, which is probably the one you flashed your drive with in the first place. Flash your drive with the WINDOWS based DS14, and make sure AFTER YOU TEST THE BINARY flash, you take the DISK OUT BEFORE running the Windows based DS14. Once you do that you will notice the windows based version of DS14 will take a few seconds longer to update your LITEON 166s, but it will be worth it! At least it should be. Once you are done, RESTART YOUR COMPUTER AGAIN....go to device manager and make sure ALL of your devices are set to DMA or ULTRA DMA. I expect they will be. Last but not least, throw in that "ORIGINAL" DVD-5 disk again....load up DVD DECRYPTOR IN FILE MODE. Just let it select the main movie files as it does and you select a folder. Call the folder "test" on your desktop or something like that....and direct DECRYPTOR to the "test" folder and hit the rip Icon.

After you do these steps you should be ripping at a much faster speed. These drives are VERY WEIRD and even on my P4, 2.4GHZ system, I was locked at 2x for a while too. If you have any questions about MTKWINFLASH or anything else, let me know either by PM or this thread.

I am now burning DVD-5 in excess of 15.4x! They are even starting out at 8x and within a minute are over 12x and in about 4:30 I have an entire movie ripped with this drive! GOOD LUCK

[kitty]

Some drives, mainly newer ones, only "play" a commercial DVD at around 2x to make the drive more quiet during movie play, not to limit your ripping speed. They assume most people PLAY Movie DVDs (which is a good assumption).

Some other firmware may get your drive to previous assumptions is that playing the drive at the max speed is better (not necessarily better for playing and a bit noisier).

[wot_fan]

defense,

First off I would like to say thank you for sharing the results of your work. I have been reading some of the threads regarding flashing lite on drives and have been hesitant to try to upgrade my 166s. Based on your post (and success) I am willing to give it a go.

I have a couple of questions if you wouldn’t mind helping out a newbie. I am running win2k and unable to find out what mode my drive is in (DMA or PIO) nor am I able to determine what firmware I currently have. Do you know how to find out this info in win2k?

Currently, my 166s maxes out at about 7x. This happens rarely. Most of the time it transfers about 4x-6x. It is connected to the secondary IDE channel with my Sony DRU-500AX as master. I am not sure if there is any other info that would be helpful for you to know to help me out.

Thanks again and any advice would be greatly appreciated,
wot_fan

[defense]

wot_fan, no problem with helping you out. First, let me say that you should probably switch the jumper on both your burner and drives. I would make your DVD ROM Master, while your DVD Burner is Slave. I assume you have your HD set as Primary master, so it should be assumed, "secondary" master/slave. Next, go to my computer and click on properties. I don't have WINME, but you should see a tab for "DEVICE MANAGER." Click on that tab and scroll down to IDE/ATA controllers. Open that up and you should see primary and secondary IDE controllers. Right click on the primary and select properties. You will see more tabs, and you should be able to select one of those tabs which will show you PIO OR DMA. Do the same for the secondary controller.

Next, there are many ways to see your firmware revisions, but the best tool I believe for the job is found here: http://forum.rpc1.org/portal.php

go to the utitlies section of this site and download a tool called NERO INFO TOOL. Once you download and execute that utility, it will show you the make and firmware of ALL of your drives. It's a very good program to have. Once you have done this you will be ready to download the software. Follow my steps listed above and test it out. It worked excellent for me and I don't see why it wouldn't for someone else. If you have any questions regarding the binary or windows based firmware, or questions regarding the update itself, PM ME or write them in this thread. Good Luck

[wot_fan]

defense,

I sent you a PM last night. With the server problems, I am not sure if it actually got sent. Please let me know if you didn't receive it.

Thanks again,
wot_fan

[defense]

I got the PM and have responded.

[kcalczab]

kcalczab...ok....here is what I suggest you try. This is what worked for me and I now have the 166S drive and NOT the 163D drive. This drive is even smoother, I just had to make sure I could rip at insane speeds with this drive. The first thing you should do is go back and make sure your drive is in DMA mode or ULTRA DMA. Make sure you aren't in PIO mode, and DO NOT have DMA disabled.


Next, download MtkWinflash, and then go to the BINARY page and DOWNLOAD the BINARY version of the DS14 firmware. The intructions on how to use MtkWinFlash and the .bin you will download are on the same site you've been downloading from. Digi's site...the one crazeplaya linked. NOTE: BEFORE UPDATING ANY FIRMWARE MAKE SURE YOU DON'T HAVE ANY DISKS IN THE DRIVE! I'm thinking you may of upgraded with one of these firmware flashes and had a disk in the drive. Just make sure you don't. Next, use MTKWINFLASH in ATAPI mode, NOT IDE mode. It will show you your drives, if you don't have a burner or another cd or dvd rom drive, then the only one that it will show is your LITEON. If you have others, just select the liteon in the drop down box.

Next, hit FLASH, give it a few seconds to complete, once you see it is done, reboot your machine. Test out an ORIGINAL DVD-5 disk FIRST. Not a DVD-9 and NOT a DVD you made a backup of. Just test out an ORIGINAL DVD-5. See how fast the drive rips. It should increase a little when you do that. Meaning you should get up to 4x if you wait for a few minutes.

Finally, to complete the process, go back to the digi site, download the WINDOWS based version of DS14, which is probably the one you flashed your drive with in the first place. Flash your drive with the WINDOWS based DS14, and make sure AFTER YOU TEST THE BINARY flash, you take the DISK OUT BEFORE running the Windows based DS14. Once you do that you will notice the windows based version of DS14 will take a few seconds longer to update your LITEON 166s, but it will be worth it! At least it should be. Once you are done, RESTART YOUR COMPUTER AGAIN....go to device manager and make sure ALL of your devices are set to DMA or ULTRA DMA. I expect they will be. Last but not least, throw in that "ORIGINAL" DVD-5 disk again....load up DVD DECRYPTOR IN FILE MODE. Just let it select the main movie files as it does and you select a folder. Call the folder "test" on your desktop or something like that....and direct DECRYPTOR to the "test" folder and hit the rip Icon.

After you do these steps you should be ripping at a much faster speed. These drives are VERY WEIRD and even on my P4, 2.4GHZ system, I was locked at 2x for a while too. If you have any questions about MTKWINFLASH or anything else, let me know either by PM or this thread.

I am now burning DVD-5 in excess of 15.4x! They are even starting out at 8x and within a minute are over 12x and in about 4:30 I have an entire movie ripped with this drive! GOOD LUCK

what can i say. sorry i have yet to try it. i have had to work at the cheltenham races today and have only just got back in. after dinner, ill haev a go.

many thanks for your help

bazza

[kcalczab]

ok

1st - sorry for the pm, no need now!!

2nd - it is faster but only x6

[defense]

well that's much better then being locked at 2x. So much for crazeplaya's theory or "rumor" that 2x was locked on that drive for WIN98. Are you talking about 6x with the binary, or 6x with BOTH of the methods I suggested? Either way, count your blessings and don't get too greedy. Your processor isn't that fast so you've increased your rip time by twice as much.

[kcalczab]

no, x6 is fantastic

i have a shag old PC so x6 instead of x2 is spot on. as i said before - many thanks and cheers

[kcalczab]

sadly after doing the above, my dvd writer will now no longer write. it now just freezes my whole system when it comes to cashe the files. i currently use nero. 5.5.9.17

ill try some other software to see if it goes again (fingers crossed)

flasher beware!!

[defense]

sadly after doing the above, my dvd writer will now no longer write. it now just freezes my whole system when it comes to cashe the files. i currently use nero. 5.5.9.17

ill try some other software to see if it goes again (fingers crossed)

flasher beware!!

Kcalzb..what do you mean your writer won't write? I hope to GOD you didn't flash the SONY drive with that binary software. I told you specically in the PM to make sure you select the
LITE-ON in the drop down box. TEST your burner with a regular cd, etc...see what firmware revision you have. If that doesn't work, flash your drive with 1.0g again! I really hope you didn't do that. Flashing your DVD ROM has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with any other drives, unless you didn't follow EXACTLY what I said step by step.

[kcalczab]

ok

flashed the sony with 1g

still didnt work. the whole thing just stopped

then

took nero away and got recordnow max

all works again

why?

[defense]

because NERO sucks? Nero is bug laiden software. Use it if you like, but I have been using RNM for a while now and burning my output is ONE LESS THING I have to worry about. As far as "why" your burner stopped all together...that is odd, but something must of gotten corrupt. If you want to use Nero again, all you probably have to do is reinstall it.

[kcalczab]

quite happy with rnm to be honest

everything is working well - except - im buying a new pc today and intend to blow everything up then i put the writer and stuff into it!!!

thanks

[kcalczab]

all is not well im afraid


no aspi available is constantly up in smart ripper and dvddecryptor cannot see any drives in the machine

why did i ever try to make this faster??

I 17:56:42 DVD Decrypter Version 3.1.4.0 started!
I 17:56:42 Microsoft Windows 98
W 17:56:42 Drive C:\ (FAT32) does not support files > 4 GB
W 17:56:42 Drive D:\ (FAT32) does not support files > 4 GB
I 17:56:43 Initialising ASPI...
I 17:56:43 WNASPI32.DLL - Adaptec's ASPI Layer - ASPI for Win32 (95/NT) DLL - Version 4.6.0.1021
I 17:56:43 Searching for SCSI / ATAPI devices...
W 17:56:43 No devices detected!

[defense]

kcalzb, you increased your drive speed by twice as much but you are the one who continues to cause these problems for yourself. You probably only had that NERO ASPI layer, and not the adaptec Aspi Layer. That is what i'm thinking. You uninstalled Nero and you may of uninstalled your ASPI fles as well. Just reinstall the aspi layer for YOUR "SYSTEM" from adaptec's site. www.adaptec.com You are not using NERO so SmartRipper and DVD Decryptor will work fine from the point you reinstall the Aspi Layer.

[joe444455555]

I have a Toshiba 16x DVD-ROM drive and with no modifications I usuall get 2.0x(starting speed) to 4or5.5x(Ending speed), with and average of 3.0-3.8 or so. However, I ripped an entire 8.0+ GB dual layer DVD (Don't remember which one, but I retested again after that) in about 3 minutes or so. Why did it do that?? I dunno, BUT I hade just selected the region (region 1) for the first time ever for the drive, and the 3 minute rip only happened that one time. I tried ripping before setting the region of the -ROM drive, but the performance was the same as what I have now. This drive comes Region Selection Limited to five changes (including the initial setting) for users and 4 remaining from factory at time of shipping; Unforttunantly I cannot simply change the region when preparing to rip another disk. Anyway, I just though this info might be useful to someone who discoveres ways of ripping DVD quickly.
Also, as I understand it (now that I alreadybought my Toshiba rom) the Lite-On DVD_ROMs are excelent for ripping DVDs