TMPGnc video in center

[KCSwanko]

I am using TMPGnc and I am formating the video to be Center (keeping aspect ratio) When I view it on my PC it is center. But once I view it on my DVD player it is full screen. Is this just my TV or DVD player. Should I have doen something different to have the black bars on it?

[banjazzer]

Full screen (Keep aspect ratio).

[PigOnWing]

If you're wondering why do you have the black bars when viewed on the PC, and 'where have they gone' when viewed on a TV monitor, that may just be due to TV-crop.

How large are the black bars, on each side? If they are wide as black bars added to widescreen movies, then you should notice them - if they are just 'a little' on each side, they'll get cropped.

TV monitors crop off 2%-15% off the side, with most monitors cropping in the range of between 5%-8%.

-- Piggie

[banjazzer]

I thought he was asking why he hadn't got any black bars!

[KCSwanko]

Yeah I think the answer was my TV. I guess a better question would be if I was using TMPGnc to covert to VCD how can I get the black bars on the screen. I would want to do this b/c I think having the video centered and not stechted would have better resolution.

Thanks everyone.

[banjazzer]

Full screen (Keep aspect ratio).

[PigOnWing]

Ok.
I think there might be a little mis-communication, as to what do you mean regarding 'black bars', what do you want to do with them, and what is the 'picture area', that is, not the 'black bars'.

If what you want is to have your original (regardless of it being 4:3, 16:9, 1:1 or 54:97) to preserve it's shape, and not to be streched - to any dimension - then, as banjazzer said - you use 'Full screen (keep aspect ratio). Black bars will then get incorporated into the picture in such a way to preserve the image aspect ratio.

If you're asking why does the inner picture (again, regardless of its aspect ratio) seem to have borders (I deliberatley am not using the term 'black bars' or 'letterbox') when the VCD is played on a PC screen, but does not have it when it's played on a TV, then the answer is one of the following:

1. Your TV crops off the black borders, just as it would crop off any type of data too close to the edge - has there been picture there, it wou;d have cropped off the picture

2. Your PC player, while preserving aspect ration, doesn't strech the image to fill the complete screen, thus you're having borders.


Now are you asking 'why does it happen', 'How can I do it right', or 'Did I do it right and should it happen if I did'? I have a feeling me and banjazzer are answering different question of these.

-- Piggie

[KCSwanko]

sorry guys, dont mean to confuse.

The full screen aspect raito doesnt help. Let me try again.

I have a Ren and Stimpy video on my PC in MPEG2 at 352x240. When I use TMPGnc to covert it to VCD with either full screen or Center (keep aspect ratio) they both come out on my DVD player as full screen.

I think the video would look better if it wasnt strecthed on my TV. I am looking for away to make the video that shows up when i put it in a DVD player to not be in Full screen, maybe have black bars or something or even center on my TV at 352x240.

Now this could just be my TV or DVD player that just strecht the video. I am just trying to find out if anyone else has had this problem.

Maybe I am doing everything right it is just my TV and DVD. If I play the videos on my PC they are either full or center depending on what I set it to.

Thanks for all the help. :P

[banjazzer]

I have a Ren and Stimpy video on my PC in MPEG2 at 352x240

Are you sure this is what you mean? 352x240 is VCD resolution (mpeg-1). If you put an mpeg-1 through TMPG with the NTSC VCD template chosen, using the settings I suggested you will get a correct aspect ratio movie. If it fills the screen (which it might on a 4:3 TV), then this is correct. If it is widescreen material, then you will get black bars top and bottom. If not, you won't.

[PigOnWing]

KCSwanko, banjazzer - you are both correct, you're just aiming at different fields.

KCSwanko - when you captured the broadcast, you captured the full image signal. On a PC, you see the full frame.

On a TV, the image gets cropped. It always gets cropped, even when you watched it while it was broadcast. TV monitors always crop bits off the sides.

If you must see the 'complete frame' - which you would have never seen, watching while the broadcast, or taping to VHS and then played, or buying it on DVD, or whatever - as playing any signal on any TV monitor will get it cropped - and the creators of TV shows take that into account, and regard those close-to-the-edge bits as 'unimportant' stuff - well, if you must see it, the only way would be to resize it to a smaller size than the end resolution, then use 'Keep aspect ratio (2)' to keep both the aspect ratio and the size, so you could add borders (which were'nt there in the first place) so you'll see the complete image.

And yes, this is going over the top, and yes, this is unecessery. It was meant to be cropped.

-- Piggie