can we copy all dvd's or are some well protected

[thebest]

i'm trying to copy THE EMPERORS GROOVE a walt disney movie
i rip it with dvd decryptor all files
then i just strip the movie out with 3 audio and 3subtitles
i test it in ifoedit player it works fine
then i write it to a dvdrw to test it with power dvd and there it gives an error saying this is not a dvd format????
is there someone here that already copy this movie or someone with the same problem??? i need help finding this out it makes me crazy!!!!!!!!!

[dvbr]

Hi,

Power DVD sometimes don't recognize a valid ifo, try to generate a new video_ts.ifo or try to play on a standalone.


Regards

[SLK001]

Pretty much all DVD's can be copied nowadays. I have yet to find one that cannot be copied (and I am looking for that ultimate challenge). However, titles are now showing up with navigation errors that will cause it to not play, if they are not corrected before you copy.

[homerpez]

...don't tell anyone...

"Emperor's New Groove" happens to have encryption by CHAPTER, not by VOB or MOVIE. That means you'll have to check all CHAPTERS when ripping.

Our little secret...

[buckonine]

SLK001 - if you're looking for a challenge then do a full disc correct copy of the matrix and T2 UE, or the abyss. and when you get them right let me know your steps, i'd love to do them myself =) some of the best i know at this have not been able to do seamless branching titles evern after 8-9 months of working on them

[thxkid]

enjoy ripping now, once blue laser is here and all burners and recorders are chipped to reconize the flags that are being put on al HDTV DVD's and TV and Movie programs you won't be able to copy anything. Don't believe me read the latest Video Review, whole article is on how hollywood is taking over on what we will be able to record in the future. I am glad my DVD Home Recorder Has not chipped to see these flags.

[Mirror_Image]

hollywood is taking over on what we will be able to record in the future

Wait, lemme guess - the Illuminati is behind this evil conspiracy? The Bilderbergs? Umm, some other ethereal bogeyman?

[buckonine]

so they come out with another protection scheme, am i wrong or do dvd's not have protection? oh that's right and someone just found a work around. doesn't it make sense that the only unbreakable codes are also unusable. if they can be decrypted they can be cracked as well. so don't worry about blu-ray or anything else.

[jugernaut]

enjoy ripping now, once blue laser is here and all burners and recorders are chipped to reconize the flags that are being put on al HDTV DVD's and TV and Movie programs you won't be able to copy anything. Don't believe me read the latest Video Review, whole article is on how hollywood is taking over on what we will be able to record in the future. I am glad my DVD Home Recorder Has not chipped to see these flags.

That's the idea behind Macrovision and CSS. Also DVD region let studios control what you can see or not.

And you know there is a way or two to pass them. . Give a couple time and the new schemas will fail, one way or another.

[drewson99]

I agree, this is how everything starts, "enjoy it while it lasts, cuz 5 years from now blah blah blah will be a thing of the past."

There will always be a way around anything, be it through software, a hardware box, a capture device, etc. nothing can't be gotten around, and if there was ever some magic, un-crackable anything the military would have it on lock-down before hollywood or anyone else could use it.

Andy

[jbarr2000]

HAH!, you want a DVD Ripping challenge, well here you go!
Extracting the VOBs from 102 Dalmations, Everything copys as normal except the 4th Vob, it has well over 5000 errors put into the dvd, normal dvd players would read over these with no problems, but smart ripper, dvd decrypter and CladDVD can't seem to get the 4th vob across, dvd decrpter was the only one that would actully do it, but it would have taken 15-16 hours just for that 1 vob, WITH FAST ERROR SKIP TURNED ON!! How can i tell the porgram to ignore the erros really fast?

[jugernaut]

Well a new challenge, i think i will give it a try next week (more money to the rental chains)

[ROBO1964]

Well I have been around a long time. There is always people trying to stop people from copying their stuff.

NO MATTER WHAT THEY DO people will figure a way around it be it hardware or software related. Example on DVD's if you try to copy with a digital recorder it won't because it recognizes the copyright. You can buy a box that blocks that copyright so your digital device doesn't recognize it and will copy no problem.

In fact most recent reports are companies arn't using copy protection as much any more. Because some protection is preventing legit originals from playing and being buggy AND they are spending millions of dollars on copy protection that isn't working.

[wingnut]

Hi all,

sorry for this long, and probably rambling post but this is my view on all this.



I'm in the UK one of the most locked down and censored places outside of china ! The problem with the way things are going is this. In the past we had technological methods of blocking copying, macrovision, silly colour changes on disc colour, purposefull errors etc. Now we are seeing a nasty side to the media producers. They are using their considerable weight on governmental lobbyists who are, lets be generous here, as thick as two short planks when it comes to technology, (as an aside a recent report here in the UK said most British MPs can't or wont use email for gods sake), and convincing them that unless they cant stop you and I copying the latest Friends DVD it will spell the end of the entire world and the terrorists will kill everyone. Sound stupid ? Yup sure does but these guys have the politicians by the wallet so they get an audience.

Now, when the governments vote in the DMCA the european version of the DMCA, (which in its present form won't allow teachers to play CLIPS of music or films without written authorisation from the rights holders), then we are a little stuck, or are we ?

What hollywood, the MPAA and all the rest of the pigopolies want is simple. They want to end fair use. They want you to pay to watch a movie, want to watch it again ? Pay again. Wan't to play "Just a little" pay for it, Little Johnny wants to see "the lion king", fine, pay for it. He wants to see it again ... well, you get the idea. The whole industry tried this with Circuit cities DIVX format, (those of you with access to Scenarist can see what that nasty format entailed), they wanted you to pay to rent video DVDs that you had bought at a lower price, effectively becoming your own blockbuster but giving the studios a lifeline into your wallet.

So what killed DIVX ? Simple, there was an alternative and that's what they want to kill. If there is no way to get a DVD that cant be played without being paid for or no way to record an episode of Enterprise without still paying to see it, (yes you can timeshift but the box wont unlock the episode unless you press the authorise button), if you cant download music via mp3 since your pc is locked down by paladium and the ISP is forced to block P2P file sharing. Well, again you see what they want.

The studios have hated fair use since the phillips tape deck and the VCR came in, (Jack Valenti in the 1970's and 80's famously treated the VCR as if it was some evil creature come from the bowels of hell to end the world- see www.thedigitalbits.com for an interesting follow up on this), recently we've seen stupid attacks on napster as the industry freaked out that people would have the gaul to share tracks with each other even though reports, (that the studios funded in the hope of gaining ammo for lobbying favorable government officials), show that people who download MP3 files are more likely to buy cds of the music they like. Then came P2P so the studios tried to cripple the CD's by enforcing errors on the disk structure so users couldn't rip the contents, (in fact users ripped the contents anyway - hey its sound if you can play it it can be recorded allbeit with a generation loss - and the only people hurt where the artists as thousands of CDs where returned as defective).

Now the industry is playing hardball, they want to lock down all video players, TV's satellite boxes, hell even toasters if they can play music or video, then lock the PC down by palladium to give everyone an unchangeable code then get laws in to prevent circumvention and kill companies who provide ways to get round this garbage, censor the net at the ISP with the prospect of fines and, most ridiculously the proposal of jail time for ISPs who dont play ball, and then finally, when you've no choice, then hit with the pay per view, pay per listen and pay per play. Will you have a choice ? Who knows, at the moment the European governments are bringing in the "EU Copyright Directive", this makes the DMCA look like a picnic. Companies like Micro$oft are trying to slip DMRC systems into our operating systems and even service pack 3 for Windows 2000, (for those who will not go near XP), pushes automatic updates that can potentially shut down access to "copyrighted material" if and when Microsoft or "its authorised partners" - for which read the MPAA - chose to do so.

If all this sounds bleak, that's because it is. The MPAA has one thing, it has money. If it chooses to shut down napster it can. It is currently thinking of going after individual file sharers via morpheus and it may do so. At present we can find information on the internet to circumvent CSS, decrypt replay TV recorded shows, find solutions on re-encoding sky tv or RAM disk recorded shows but that is only because someone wrote code to get DVDs to play on open source, something the MPAA did not want to do, (and because a certain software player was so badly written of course), also we can get access to copyrighted material and, if you know where to look, you can get software to allow you to do things at home that studios would rather you didnt do unless you paid a lot for it, (Scenarist at £27,000 - is this really sane - why can't our bundled DVD authoring packages allow animated menus and chained events ?).

I think that is what the poster was trying to say, the only way to stop this is to vote with your wallet. If you don't buy XP, don't but the new Whizzy Blue laser recorder because it charges you every time you play and then wont let you fast forward past commercials. Then maybe we can keep our open standards. There is also something to be said for ignoring rules that are evidently stupid, make it known that you'd rather terrrorists where caught by looking for them than stopping mp3's being traded on morpheus. In the end it's TV and it's music. It's not our free speech, (or at least the USA's free speech, we are subjects in the UK you know), thats being taken away just yet. And those who argue that copyrights are a way of making a living do have a point, but the rules for copyright and fair use where created for a reason and its that reason that we really should be looking to protect.

Ed

[thxkid]

wait till blue laser, it will be hard cause all burners and DVD recorders will be chipped for the flags they are putting on all digital sources.
Dishnet and Cox cable allready have the flags on all their equipment and sources, of course this is for HDTV only. All HDTV Broadcast have them installed also, read the new article in Video review for more information.

Flag 1 - no copy
Flag 2 - one copy allowed
Flag 3 - unlimited copies

there will be no box inbetween or ripping then either, it will check the product code and for the original flag, now if someone can break and replace the original flag 1 with another flag 3, then you will be able to copy, but thats another reason why blue laser is 2-4 years away, hollywood and people like Disney want very full proof anti copy system before they sign on. be interestig to say the lease.

[LeeBear]

It doesn't matter if they chip the recorders, someone will find a way to mod it to bypass it. Look at any of the game consoles, PS, PS2, XBOX, Gamecube, Dreamcast they've all been mod and they had there protection on the hardware level. Even set top DVD players have been hacked to make them region and macrovision free.

I don't worry about the next 'killer' copy protection because everyone knows the smart money's on the pirates in China and Hong Kong... those fellas are smart they'll find a way to get around it

-LeeBear