making intro

[David Banner]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYldd8bcMS4

What program would you use to make an intro like the above? Would Blender do? I would want to have footage with the graphics going through the footage sort of layered. Not graphics like above i have my own ideas, the above is just an idea

[poisondeathray]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYldd8bcMS4

What program would you use to make an intro like the above? Would Blender do? I would want to have footage with the graphics going through the footage sort of layered. Not graphics like above i have my own ideas, the above is just an idea

So like that, but not really ?

It depends on what you mean exactly by "the graphics going through the footage sort of layered." The details are important. In what way, or does it interact with the footage ? Or what type of graphics ?



If it's "like that", as in very similar to the RTE intro - I would use Cinema4D to make the 3D animation elements . It's has a mograph module that's very suitable for broadcast style motion graphics . Other 3D packages are later to the party but now have comparable workflows (e.g. Maya with mash) . Its very likely that intro was make with C4D, given the production year and style.

Almost anything is possible in Blender, but some things are much more difficult or you have to do more work.

Certain programs have certain things that they excel at , or have dedicated scripts or plugins that make parts of the workflow much faster.

[David Banner]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYldd8bcMS4

What program would you use to make an intro like the above? Would Blender do? I would want to have footage with the graphics going through the footage sort of layered. Not graphics like above i have my own ideas, the above is just an idea

So like that, but not really ?

It depends on what you mean exactly by "the graphics going through the footage sort of layered." The details are important. In what way, or does it interact with the footage ? Or what type of graphics ?



If it's "like that", as in very similar to the RTE intro - I would use Cinema4D to make the 3D animation elements . It's has a mograph module that's very suitable for broadcast style motion graphics . Other 3D packages are later to the party but now have comparable workflows (e.g. Maya with mash) . Its very likely that intro was make with C4D, given the production year and style.

Almost anything is possible in Blender, but some things are much more difficult or you have to do more work.

Certain programs have certain things that they excel at , or have dedicated scripts or plugins that make parts of the workflow much faster.

Go to 2.12 sec here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lygJOyoH5uk just where the train image begins. See how how you can see the graphic, like part of a circle at the corners. That is the idea i want but not circles and i want them on top of the image more visible than in that clip. The graphics i want are arrows over my footage

[poisondeathray]

Go to 2.12 sec here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lygJOyoH5uk just where the train image begins. See how how you can see the graphic, like part of a circle at the corners. That is the idea i want but not circles and i want them on top of the image more visible than in that clip. The graphics i want are arrows over my footage

ok , that's a bit better and more descriptive , but still lacking in details for the description


You want a graphic overlay, on the peripheral edges, sort of like a vignette , but with higher opacity than in that YT example - is that correct so far?

Overlaying a graphic with some transparency is easy ; this can be done in any program, almost any video editor, even free ones

But - you still need to describe the arrow animation . Is it 2d? Is it 3d? How does it animate etc... What sort of "look" . Those details will help to narrow down what sort of programs would be appropriate for creating that animation

[David Banner]

Go to 2.12 sec here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lygJOyoH5uk just where the train image begins. See how how you can see the graphic, like part of a circle at the corners. That is the idea i want but not circles and i want them on top of the image more visible than in that clip. The graphics i want are arrows over my footage

ok , that's a bit better and more descriptive , but still lacking in details for the description


You want a graphic overlay, on the peripheral edges, sort of like a vignette , but with higher opacity than in that YT example - is that correct so far?

Overlaying a graphic with some transparency is easy ; this can be done in any program, almost any video editor, even free ones

But - you still need to describe the arrow animation . Is it 2d? Is it 3d? How does it animate etc... What sort of "look" . Those details will help to narrow down what sort of programs would be appropriate for creating that animation

Not on the peripheral edges, or a vignette i was only saying where they are on that sample as they are hard to see
This is the situation
I want to make a series of short documentaries. Lets says my 'brand' is RTE NEWS and each one will be a different subject
I have a 15 second intro comprising of several short clips of footage with a sound track.
I want the arrow or arrows to run through the clips as they play and at the end to form the name of my 'brand' RTE NEWS as if the arrows are the 'road' to the brand name 'traveling through the footage

And to form the words RTE NEWS a bit like the way the words RTE NEWS forms at 14 secs in here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYldd8bcMS4 and i want that formation on the last frame of my intro which is a still jpeg. And i want it to 100% oacity for the area of the jpe it covers

I am a bit vague on what sort of arrows but if i could get any sort i could experiment. Coud it be done in vegas pro 12?

Thanks

[poisondeathray]

Not on the peripheral edges, or a vignette i was only saying where they are on that sample as they are hard to see
This is the situation
I want to make a series of short documentaries. Lets says my 'brand' is RTE NEWS and each one will be a different subject
I have a 15 second intro comprising of several short clips of footage with a sound track.
I want the arrow or arrows to run through them as they play and at the end to form the name of my 'brand' RTE NEWS as if the arrows are the 'road' to the brand name 'traveling through the footage

And to form the words RTE NEWS a bit like the way the words RTE NEWS forms at 14 secs in here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYldd8bcMS4 and i want that formation on the last frame of my intro which is a still jpeg. And i want it to 100% oacity for the area of the jpe it covers

I am a bit vague on what sort of arrows but if i could get any sort i could experiment. Coud it be done in vegas pro 12?

Animating arrows over background footage, eventually forming or revealing text/logo ...That what I got so far for basic concept

But -
1a) in terms of the arrow animation, is it an overlay, or do they actually interact with the footage ? The former is much easier . The latter can be tricky , depending on what you exactly had in mind

1b) Are they 2D arrows or 3D arrows ? In that 1st link, the RTE "logo" is actually flat or 2D

1b) how many arrows, and what sorts of complexity of animation for the arrows ?


2) The big complexity here is how you exactly want the transition of arrow/arrows to form the text/logo , or maybe you haven't fully decided on the details yet....

2a) is the final text/logo 2D or 3D ?


The details will determine what types of software are appropriate or required for this . There are literally 1000's of different combinations on how this can play out or how to form text from arrows .

For example, in your first link, those animating planes at 14 seconds actually don't form the logo. It's actually a reveal technique, where the logo just scales and animates from nothing, and the planes are hidden from view. Motion blur and flares are used to conceal the transition. These are standard techniques used for animations, but there is a clear distinction - When you have actual forming of a logo (or object) from arrows (or from whatever objects) - this implies that the polygons rearrange and morph into the final logo. The polygons from object A either morph or transform into the polygons from object B. Or other commonly used methods are particle effects such as particle dissolve / reforming


As for Vegas - it can handle compositing part (where you layer the animation over the background footage), and it could do some types of animations for 2D - 2.5D arrows . 2.5D arrows would be "flat" like the planes in the 1st link . 3D arrows would have depth instead of being "flat" . Flat layers in 3D space (where you have z-depth movement) is referred to as 2.5D .

[David Banner]

Not on the peripheral edges, or a vignette i was only saying where they are on that sample as they are hard to see
This is the situation
I want to make a series of short documentaries. Lets says my 'brand' is RTE NEWS and each one will be a different subject
I have a 15 second intro comprising of several short clips of footage with a sound track.
I want the arrow or arrows to run through them as they play and at the end to form the name of my 'brand' RTE NEWS as if the arrows are the 'road' to the brand name 'traveling through the footage

And to form the words RTE NEWS a bit like the way the words RTE NEWS forms at 14 secs in here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYldd8bcMS4 and i want that formation on the last frame of my intro which is a still jpeg. And i want it to 100% oacity for the area of the jpe it covers

I am a bit vague on what sort of arrows but if i could get any sort i could experiment. Coud it be done in vegas pro 12?

Animating arrows over background footage, eventually forming or revealing text/logo ...That what I got so far for basic concept

But -
1a) in terms of the arrow animation, is it an overlay, or do they actually interact with the footage ? The former is much easier . The latter can be tricky , depending on what you exactly had in mind

1b) Are they 2D arrows or 3D arrows ? In that 1st link, the RTE "logo" is actually flat or 2D

1b) how many arrows, and what sorts of complexity of animation for the arrows ?


2) The big complexity here is how you exactly want the transition of arrow/arrows to form the text/logo , or maybe you haven't fully decided on the details yet....

2a) is the final text/logo 2D or 3D ?


The details will determine what types of software are appropriate or required for this . There are literally 1000's of different combinations on how this can play out or how to form text from arrows .

For example, in your first link, those animating planes at 14 seconds actually don't form the logo. It's actually a reveal technique, where the logo just scales and animates from nothing, and the planes are hidden from view. Motion blur and flares are used to conceal the transition. These are standard techniques used for animations, but there is a clear distinction - When you have actual forming of a logo (or object) from arrows (or from whatever objects) - this implies that the polygons rearrange and morph into the final logo. The polygons from object A either morph or transform into the polygons from object B. Or other commonly used methods are particle effects such as particle dissolve / reforming


As for Vegas - it can handle compositing part (where you layer the animation over the background footage), and it could do some types of animations for 2D - 2.5D arrows . 2.5D arrows would be "flat" like the planes in the 1st link . 3D arrows would have depth instead of being "flat" . Flat layers in 3D space (where you have z-depth movement) is referred to as 2.5D .

OK did not know that. Thanlk for the help will get back to you when i think about it

[Brainiac]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYldd8bcMS4

What program would you use to make an intro like the above? Would Blender do? I would want to have footage with the graphics going through the footage sort of layered. Not graphics like above i have my own ideas, the above is just an idea

So like that, but not really ?

It depends on what you mean exactly by "the graphics going through the footage sort of layered." The details are important. In what way, or does it interact with the footage ? Or what type of graphics ?



If it's "like that", as in very similar to the RTE intro - I would use Cinema4D to make the 3D animation elements . It's has a mograph module that's very suitable for broadcast style motion graphics . Other 3D packages are later to the party but now have comparable workflows (e.g. Maya with mash) . Its very likely that intro was make with C4D, given the production year and style.

Almost anything is possible in Blender, but some things are much more difficult or you have to do more work.

Certain programs have certain things that they excel at , or have dedicated scripts or plugins that make parts of the workflow much faster.

I was thinking Cinema 4D too with the Mograph module. I also thought of using of After Effects using 3D paths.

[Cornucopia]

Not to beat a dead horse, but Blufftitler should also be able to do that type of stuff. Less capable in model generation and complex rendering, but in many ways easier and more efficient with 2/2.5/3D compositing & animation. But also a different way of working than most 3D apps (think: more like glorified 3D CharGen/DVE).

Scott

[David Banner]

Not to beat a dead horse, but Blufftitler should also be able to do that type of stuff. Less capable in model generation and complex rendering, but in many ways easier and more efficient with 2/2.5/3D compositing & animation. But also a different way of working than most 3D apps (think: more like glorified 3D CharGen/DVE).

Scott

Do you know if the trial leaves a watermark?

[Brainiac]

From the BluffTitler website:

What are the differences between the evaluation and the full version?

In the evaluation version the word DEMO is printed in the render window
The menu items FILE > Save show, FILE > Save show as..., FILE > Save show + all media files... and PRESET > Save preset as... are disabled
The evaluation version always starts with the about dialog and ends with the order dialog

Apart from the above limitations, all features are enabled allowing you to fully test BluffTitler before purchasing the full version.

[David Banner]

From the BluffTitler website:

What are the differences between the evaluation and the full version?

In the evaluation version the word DEMO is printed in the render window
The menu items FILE > Save show, FILE > Save show as..., FILE > Save show + all media files... and PRESET > Save preset as... are disabled
The evaluation version always starts with the about dialog and ends with the order dialog

Apart from the above limitations, all features are enabled allowing you to fully test BluffTitler before purchasing the full version.

thanks I should have looked

[poisondeathray]

What is the shape of your logo/brand ? or what is the "still jpeg" ? I'm assuming it's the "logo"

I understand you're using "arrows" because of "road" to the logo/brand, but "arrows" can be many styles - different types of shapes and sizes from head to tail, barbs, feathers, etc...

The reason I ask is there is a consistency and harmony to the RTE title animation, because the rectangular planes are the same shape as the end logo - so it makes stacking and hiding the planes or "tricking" the viewer into thinking it's a logo formation . ie. It's a good design choice for motion graphics.

So knowing the shape of your logo/brand can help you with design and animation choices . It can help you decide what the shape of the arrows might be , or how they might interact with the logo/brand. For example, if you had a triangular shaped logo, that might go well with a triangular shaped arrow head (or 4 arrow heads combining into a triangle). Planning and concept is usually more than half the work . If you make design choices that are "easier" to animate and produce , it makes the rest of the work much much easier.

In the RTE title animation, it's actually broken up into separate animations with different camera angles (another good design choice - this makes it easier to animate and render). The final camera motion blends nicely into the next scene with the news anchor . The planes in the circular arrangement theme complement nicely to the semicircular news anchor desk in the next scene - so those are good design choices too.

[David Banner]

What is the shape of your logo/brand ? or what is the "still jpeg" ? I'm assuming it's the "logo"

I understand you're using "arrows" because of "road" to the logo/brand, but "arrows" can be many styles - different types of shapes and sizes from head to tail, barbs, feathers, etc...

The reason I ask is there is a consistency and harmony to the RTE title animation, because the rectangular planes are the same shape as the end logo - so it makes stacking and hiding the planes or "tricking" the viewer into thinking it's a logo formation . ie. It's a good design choice for motion graphics.

So knowing the shape of your logo/brand can help you with design and animation choices . It can help you decide what the shape of the arrows might be , or how they might interact with the logo/brand. For example, if you had a triangular shaped logo, that might go well with a triangular shaped arrow head (or 4 arrow heads combining into a triangle). Planning and concept is usually more than half the work . If you make design choices that are "easier" to animate and produce , it makes the rest of the work much much easier.

In the RTE title animation, it's actually broken up into separate animations with different camera angles (another good design choice - this makes it easier to animate and render). The final camera motion blends nicely into the next scene with the news anchor . The planes in the circular arrangement theme complement nicely to the semicircular news anchor desk in the next scene - so those are good design choices too.

That is very helpful thanks.

The jpeg is not the logo. I wanted the logo to appear on the jpeg like the RTE logo is revealed as you explained . a 2D logo would do for now

I am not sure what I want in arrows maybe a bit like at ten seconds in here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lygJOyoH5uk [the greenish arrows on blue background]

I want them going from left to right and to be able to see the footage as well i.e i want them over rthe footage. A lot of the rte ones seem to show graphics alone and then footage alone. I have access to a computer with cinema 4d R16