Cinaiva HELP

[slayer_of_all]

Does anyone have away around CINAIVA on bluerays? Any help please thanks

[Selur]

Here's what the dvdfab folks think about it:
http://blog.dvdfab.com/cinavia-protection.html
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DVDFab can copy any Blu-ray disc with Cinavia watermark, and create a protected disc (BDMV-REC) which can be played on Blu-ray Disc player or PS3.

http://www.dvdfab.com/manual/blu-ray-copy/Blu-ray-protection-cinavia

[Kerry56]

^Didn't Sony come out with an update to the PS3 that won't allow it to play BDMV-REC discs?

[yoda313]

^Didn't Sony come out with an update to the PS3 that won't allow it to play BDMV-REC discs?

There was an update recently for the ps3 but I can't verify if that is what it was for.

[jman98]

Cinavia CANNOT be defeated if the player recognizes it.

DVDFab's work around is looked upon by most technical people as a joke in that a firmware update in the future could very easily defeat such copies. I don't own or keep up with the PS3 so I have no idea if it got a firmware update for this or not.

If you want to despair, the geniuses at Doom9. some of whom are the same people who figured out how to decrypt BluRays, have no idea how to defeat Cinavia. My best guess is that the eventual defeating of it will require the audio to be completely re-encoded, which is going to cause issues for audio purists.

[jagabo]

Coincidentally: https://forum.videohelp.com/threads/349402-Cinavia-may-be-broken-by-Pixbyte

If it's true someone else will probably figure it out shortly and it will be added to all the open source software.

[slayer_of_all]

Well I tried the Fab copy protected disc and it didn't work at all. I did read some where about the video bite rate change too, and then splitting it into 30 mins and then rejoining it. But never tried these. I have a sony 3D blueray player and it never has been updated and I bought it in Feb. so it may be in the player also. So right now there is no way around it?

[johns0]

The update for the ps3 was to detect the dvdfab record method,also depending on your sony blu-ray player if you didn't update it recently then there's a chance it doesn't have cinavia.

My sony bdp-s380 doesn't have cinavia since i haven't updated it with the recent firmware.

[jagabo]

Of course, if Pixbyte's method does work, it's probably only a matter of time before Cinavia is updated to defeat that crack.

[Noahtuck]

Man, am I lucky and happy that the 2 LG bluray standalone players I bought last november do not enforce CINAIVA!!
And as long as they work I will never update the firmware!!

And I know they do not as I have ripped CINAIVA disc's, compressed to SL bluray media and MKV's and they have played perfectly from start to end.

[pandy]

Transcode audio to DTS, most of media players not support DTS decoding thus they are not able to detect protection (however You need to decode audio in DTS by external DTS decoder which is usually standard for even cheap AV amplifiers).

Cinavia can be (probably) workaround-ed by lowpass filtering around 5 - 6kHz (however this will make audio not acceptable quality - perhaps technic similar to SBR can be used to partially extrapolate higher frequency components)

[jman98]

Well I tried the Fab copy protected disc and it didn't work at all. I did read some where about the video bite rate change too, and then splitting it into 30 mins and then rejoining it.

Those methods are very unlikely to work unless Cinavia is foolishly using some kind of checksum algorithm. In that case it would trivial to defeat it. And I've heard no talk of this.

I remain skeptical of this Pixbyte company as I've never heard of their products before and the ripping field has basically been left alone to DVDFab and AnyDVD. Pixbyte seems to be a Spanish company and I do want to point out that if that is correct, it is only a matter of time before the US institutes legal action against them to stop this - IF it really works. DVDFab and AnyDVD are based in small countries outside of the reach of US law which is why they still exist. Any company based in an EU country is never going to be allowed to get away with selling BluRay cracking software for very long. I suppose if this method does really work it is likely to get out to AnyDVD and DVDFab though.

[fritzi93]

Man, am I lucky and happy that the 2 LG bluray standalone players I bought last november do not enforce CINAIVA!!
And as long as they work I will never update the firmware!!

And I know they do not as I have ripped CINAIVA disc's, compressed to SL bluray media and MKV's and they have played perfectly from start to end.

Yeah, I have two oldish Sony BDP-S360 players and an LG BD670 (bought in January). Manufacturers were to begin making Cinavia enabled players in February 2012, IIRC. The firmware will not be updated; I don't think the Sonys are new enough to have Cinavia enabled anyway, but I could be wrong. Dunno about the LG.

I find I hardly ever use my BD standalones any more, and play MKVs direct from hard drive on my 65" TV. Except for 3D Blu-Rays from the BD670. It may be I'll never buy another. I haven't used the Sonys (attached to my other, smaller TVs) in quite a while.

Does anyone have a link to a reliable, comprehensive list of Blu-Ray discs with Cinavia? I've found a few, but they don't agree. For instance, one has Tintin, another has Red Riding Hood, both of which I have. My backups of those movies play fine right through on my standalones.

I suppose the only way to verify is to try backing up the originals with DVDFab, which supposedly will detect Cinavia and pop a warning. My normal method is to extract main movie with Clown_BD, with DVDFabPasskey running in the background. Passkey has never notified me that it has detected Cinavia.

Another question: Is there any prospect that the manufacturers of media players will be forced to incorporate Cinavia protection in their players?

Surely, Cinavia will be cracked sometime though.

[Selur]

Is there any prospect that the manufacturers of media players will be forced to incorporate Cinavia protection in their players?

aren't they already? -> Verance’s watermark-based content protection technology becomes mandatory

[jagabo]

Is there any prospect that the manufacturers of media players will be forced to incorporate Cinavia protection in their players?

aren't they already? -> Verance’s watermark-based content protection technology becomes mandatory

Only AACS licensed devices are required to have Cinavia. As far as I know, only Blu-ray discs use AACS.

[dvdsham]

I thought I would share stealing Cinavia's protection system. I monitored deep into the original blu-rays video and audio tracks and managed to get a perfect blank sync that triggers the Cinivia and the sync signals allows playback of the original. I have a bright black screen signal Cinavia generator picture and dead air sync signal. I can now use their technology without even paying them! Using Nero I put the repeated length of the generator I created and lower the opacity down. I then add my video of outdoor recordings mixed to the generator. If I copy the disc than the Cinavia kicks in on the copy but not on the burn created from nero movie maker. hahaha way cool! You can create your own. Record black screens and dead audio from an original blu-ray movie that contains Cinavia.

[slayer_of_all]

well my player has never been on line so it has never been updated and it shows up on think like a man, ghost rider 2, the other guys, and a few others and it only seems to be Sony movies right now. But now I heard that Sony is trying to have all movie company's had this to their blueray movies. So I don't know.

[Noahtuck]

well my player has never been on line so it has never been updated and it shows up

Some players do not need to be updated, they come with it already on the system.

http://veehd.com/forum/viewtopic?f=263185

Not sure how accurate it is but I have seen a few different list's.


dvdsham

[jagabo]

Since Cinavia is now included with AACS it's possible your firmware could be updated just by putting a Blu-ray disc in the drive. Or future discs with Cinavia may not play without updated firmware.

[Noahtuck]

Since Cinavia is now included with AACS it's possible your firmware could be updated just by putting a Blu-ray disc in the drive. Or future discs with Cinavia may not play without updated firmware.

That would suck!!

I have never seen anything like that with Bluray yet, but it does happen quite a bit with 360 games, I've had it happen 3 or 4 times over the years, get a new game, put it in to play it and you get a message saying you need to install an update, updates from the game disc, then restart and play the game.
But it does not affect a flashed 360 drive with hacked firmware, and I know we are talking about 2 different beast's here, but I wonder if it will be possible to force a firmware update to your standalone that will make it comply or recognize Cinavia ?

And then what if you rip said disc and make a movie only copy, I doubt it will have the required files to force an update ?

Oy Vey.....

Ya gotta love $ONY!!!!
I don't think they will be happy until they turn the world into the matrix and they are the mainframe that controls everything!!
LOL!!

[Steve(MS)]

I didn't particularly like sony before their blu-ray dealings, now they have been on my $htlist for several years now.

Here's one cinavia movie list, I am sure slysoft has theirs as well as wikipedia, etc.

http://blog.dvdfab.com/cinavia-protection.html

[jagabo]

I may be wrong about players being updated just by putting a Blu-ray disc in the drive. AACS automatically checks the disc's revocation list but I don't know if it can update its own code. BD+ code runs on a virtual machine (it's hardware agnostic) so it can be different on every disc. I don't know at what level Cinavia detection is implemented: player specific firmware, AACS, or BD+. If its in player specific firmware then you need connect the player to the internet or download new firmware and burn it to a disc to update (firmware is specific to each player). But I know that some discs require that you perform updates before they will play. That's usually for 3d processing or some such. But it could be used to force Cinavia on you.

[jman98]

So far the discs that use Cinavia say so on their boxes. If you are renting from Netflix, that's not particularly useful to you. Anything on a Sony owned studio, such as Sony Pictures, that has come out in the past year or so should be suspected of having Cinavia. Unfortunately Paramount has also jumped on the bandwagon big time, which is odd considering that they refused to play the old "bad sector" copy protection game that some other major studios played with DVDs, including Sony.

[jman98]

But I know that some discs require that you perform updates before they will play. That's usually for 3d processing or some such. But it could be used to force Cinavia on you.

I cannot play 3D discs, so I cannot comment on this, but I am wondering if this is really true for non-3D BluRays. I've seen BD discs that strongly suggested you update firmware and I've heard of reports of PS3s that had firmware updates forced on them when certain discs were played, but I rent and buy BDs and I've yet to come across one that refused to play without a firmware update. Then again, it could well be that my tastes are such that I simply have no interest in the kinds of movies that really do require this.