Oppo 980H DVD Player and Taiyo Yuden TYG03 16x Media Not Compatiable

[robjv1]

More just a heads up than anything.

I normally buy JVC / Taiyo Yuden discs TYG02 8x discs and have never had a problem with them in playback for this DVD player, but recently bought two hundred TYG03 16x discs (both premium line). I burn with imgBurn. The 8x discs work like a charm with the Oppo980H, but the 16x discs do not.

No problem with the media itself, as they play fine on all of the other DVD players in my house, but the Oppo does not like them. The Oppo last had a firmware update in 2008, so it isn't that surprising, just an old player really. It is a great player but is finicky about some media -- t doesn't like 2.4x Verbatim DL Media either but gets along fine with the 8X discs.

[jman98]

What speed did you burn at? Have you tried burning the 16x media at 8x or even 4x? Personally I don't EVER burn above 4x - period. Compatibility issues with 16x TY media are well known. It might be worth your while to see if slower burning helps.

[robjv1]

I'm experimenting with it now actually -- I did several burns at 8x, same results. I'll give 4x and 2x a try as well and report back.

[robjv1]

Looks like this particular media doesn't support 2x or 4x writing -- 6x is the minimum. It didn't like the discs burned at 6x either.

Oh well. I think I actually had this same issue before with TY 16x media and swore off of it. Apparently I forgot lol They'll make fine data discs.

[jman98]

Looks like this particular media doesn't support 2x or 4x writing -- 6x is the minimum. It didn't like the discs burned at 6x either.

That's actually a function of the burner rather than the media. A more accurate statement is that your burner does not support lower speed burning on this media rather than the media can't be burned at a lower speed.

[robjv1]

Looks like this particular media doesn't support 2x or 4x writing -- 6x is the minimum. It didn't like the discs burned at 6x either.

That's actually a function of the burner rather than the media. A more accurate statement is that your burner does not support lower speed burning on this media rather than the media can't be burned at a lower speed.

Yes, good point. I have another DVD drive in a box somewhere, maybe I'll pull it out and have a go with it.

[Constant Gardener]

Seems odd. I have an older Oppo 971H which has no problem playing TYG03 or 2.4x Verbatim DL disks, or anything else for that matter. It just doesn't understand h.264 and them newfangled blu-ray things.

[FulciLives]

I normally buy the 8x Taiyo Yuden DVD-R discs and burn at 4x

Generally speaking you should burn at half the rated speed so the sweet spot for those 16x Taiyo Yuden discs should be 8x

Maybe your DVD burner is dying and that is causing bad burns?

[robjv1]

Constant Gardener -- that is odd! When was the last firmware update for that player released? Yeah, my 980h never really liked those 2.4x Verbatim disks, but it will usually play them if I eject them and put it back in 5-10 times. There is no playing the 16x discs at all on this unit. The TYG02 discs spin right up.

FulciLives -- that is something I've considered, but I did burn a few spare 16x TDK DVD-Rs I had lying around and a few 8x DVD+RWs as well and they all play just fine. Still, that could be the culprit too I suppose, I'll give them a burn in another other drive at 4x speed and see what happens.

[FulciLives]

Strange things do happen.

For instance, despite what I said above about burning speeds, I bought some cheap RiTek DVD+R DL discs which were rated at 8x and ImgBurn said the discs support 2.4x, 4x, 6x and 8x so I tried burning at 4x (half the rated speed which normally seems to be the sweet spot) and got 3 bad burns and 1 successful burn. So then I tried 2.4x and the first worked and the next 2 did not.

I was about to try to return them when I read on-line that someone said they had better success burning them at 8x ... and frankly I thought that was BS ... but I tried one at 8x and it burned A-OK (but it did that ramping type burn which I hate) so I did the next at 6x and got a smooth constant burn through out and I've been burning the rest of them like that ever since with only one bad burn in about 20 or 25 discs now. Makes no sense to me LOL

Maybe try burning those TY's at 16x and see what happens LOL

[robjv1]

Strange things do happen.

For instance, despite what I said above about burning speeds, I bought some cheap RiTek DVD+R DL discs which were rated at 8x and ImgBurn said the discs support 2.4x, 4x, 6x and 8x so I tried burning at 4x (half the rated speed which normally seems to be the sweet spot) and got 3 bad burns and 1 successful burn. So then I tried 2.4x and the first worked and the next 2 did not.

I was about to try to return them when I read on-line that someone said they had better success burning them at 8x ... and frankly I thought that was BS ... but I tried one at 8x and it burned A-OK (but it did that ramping type burn which I hate) so I did the next at 6x and got a smooth constant burn through out and I've been burning the rest of them like that ever since with only one bad burn in about 20 or 25 discs now. Makes no sense to me LOL

Maybe try burning those TY's at 16x and see what happens LOL

Okay, did a few at 16x and no change. Pulled out my other drive now which can do 2x and 4x burns, so we'll see.... in about 27 minutes at 2x haha, guess I should have tried 4x first :b

By the way CG -- how do you like that player? I debated between the 980h and 970, as the video processing chip in each was different as I recall. I love this player, but I wish I'd given that one a test drive. I've thought about buying their BDP-93 BR player, but the $499 price point is just too much for me to justify right now.

[robjv1]

Interesting. Well, I'm totally confused now lol

The 2x burn didn't play at all.

The 4x burn played the first time I put it in the machine, then I ejected it and put it back in and now I've got the "No Disc" error on it a few times.

An 8x burn on the other drive did the exact same thing -- played once, ejected the disc, turned off the unit, waited 30 seconds, put it back in and played it -- "No Disc". Repeated that process a few more times and same thing.

What do you think?

[FulciLives]

Well you've used two different burners so that is out of the equation now. In other words the problem has to be either the discs themselves (a bad batch perhaps) or the DVD player (it just doesn't like that brand or something is wrong with the laser inside).

Did you say that the 8x Taiyo Yuden discs work well? I know RIMA.COM sells both 8x Taiyo Yuden DVD-R and 16x Taiyo Yuden DVD-R and you can specify which you want when ordering.

- JC

[robjv1]

Yup, all of my 8x Taiyo Yuden seem to work fine and play without issue or odd behavior.

I'm hoping it is just media oriented, but I suppose the player could have an issue too -- what ConstantGardner mentioned about his older Oppo model playing 16x TYG03s concerns me. I forgot to mention, I did pull the cover off of the unit (it's out of warranty) and clean the laser assembly as well before I started testing to rule that out.

At any rate, I just ordered a new batch of 8x discs from Meritline. I have about 15 discs to burn off of my hard drive, so I'll have a nice sized test batch of discs to throw at my player.

Thanks for the help guys!

[[_chef_]]

Nearly at none times its such a media related problem, its really a problem with the chosen and available burnspeeds.

[FulciLives]

Well he tried burning them at just about every speed one could try and they still were not working so THAT wasn't the issue.

[robjv1]

After more testing, I think it may be a player issue, as the problem has suddenly gone away. It is playing everything now, including all of the test discs I burned. The only thing I tried was to reseat the tray, because I recalled a few weeks ago when in the middle of the night I caught my bathrobe on the drive tray which someone had left open, yanking it pretty good in the process. It could be pure coincidence of course -- I don't quite know why my older 8x discs were playing fine but my newer discs would not play at all. At any rate, I think I'll stick with the 8x discs to be safe, bu I'll keep my fingers crossed that it will keep working and that the laser is fine and such.